Agricultural Business Subsidy

A few words about agro-giants and the subsidies they rely on

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[patient0Studios]

You make it seem that simply because the labour was voluntary its somehow justly rewarded.... If every single employment opportunity offers you 1/20 of what you should be making does that mean that its just, simply because you chose one of those employment opportunities?

[Billiameo]

Fascist.. that means corporate with government action. If you understand true capitalism it incorporates VOLUNTARY labor. So no matter WHAT the conditions, they are voluntarily agreed to by the worker. As far as Cartels... yes they have been around in the U.S. for quite some time, but they are not capitalist, they are actually more fascist and use some method of force to control their profits.

[patient0Studios]

Fascism is not State Capitalism.... Trotsky wrote an entire book on what it is. And he criticized when people simply call everyone a fascist without it actually meeting the definition. A Fascist is someone who is like Bush or Hitler, uses the State Apparatus to prop up the failing free market and to save it whenever it almost dies. With or without the use of lethal force( in dealing with its citizens). So under this definition every developed nation is practically fascist.

[AnarchyIsForMe]

You keep talking about corporations "going somewhere else" and "pushing around governments". Why do you think we are against the state? Those said government created this situation and they profit off it. If we get rid of governments corporations will have no coercive measures save on what they consider their property (as long as people are willing to maintain that idea). They will have to compete until they are leveled and we will have a mutualist\Agorist society.

[patient0Studios]

You neeed to know the difference between State and Government. Anarchy is stupid, Anarchism on the other hand supports to breakdiwn of the profiteers State and the institution of a Publicly minded Peoples Government.

[PumpkinJoe999]

Bush does not believe in free-market principles. He may say he does, but if that is true then everything else he says must be true; the war in Iraq is making us safer, the people of South Ossetia dying by the thousands is good for democracy, etc...

[PumpkinJoe999]

Define "should be making."

[overmind25]

Ending the state would be the best solution but if I had to pick between living in a large Republic (nation) or a small Republic (state) I would gladly chose the nation. A larger Republic defends minority views in smaller areas and can combat corporate lobbying a little better but not that much better.

[overmind25]

Ron Paul is wrong on states' rights. It is a stupid idea and you point it out. Corporations do pit states against another and suck the taxpayers dry 75 billion dollars a year. The state must be ended and so must corporations that try to coerce people without voluntary agreements.

[AnarchyIsForMe]

Look, if it is a bunch of guys with guns forcing agreements upon people then I am against it. Government is possible under Anarchism I suppose but it must be voluntary (that means people choose their arbitration through consensuses).

[patient0Studios]

Not necesarrily, you must understand that Socialism in an advanced form can only exist in a world with administrative unity. With todays advances in technology the world is all too small and if you created a nation based on pure Democratic principles and Socialism, what is to say nearby nations who don't follow that idea don't come and destroy you.

[patient0Studios]

I would live in a capitalist society as was proposed by Adam Smith. One with perfect government and perfect liberty. He said if a Utopia could be achieved economic equality would be achieved, that is too Idealistic for me to believe. The hard facts suggest that capitalism does not actually operate this way.