2011 Qipco 2000 Guineas

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• Quipco
• 2000
• guineas
• frankel
• tom queally
• henery cecil
• newmarket
• racing uk

[CharlesOlney23]

@ImtheOriginalDougieD If he goes to the Breeders Cup I'd put money on him running in the mile but I think he'll end his career in the Champions Stakes at Ascot in October. Khallid Abdulla is a big supporter of Qipco and the Champions series. No horse is unbeatable but some are considered the next step down. I don't think he's unbeatable as Sea the Stars was because he seems harder to control and train.

[ImtheOriginalDougieD]

@CharlesOlney23 If he does go to Santa Anita this year, he'll either play it safe in the turf mile, or try and go big on the dirt in the classic. Time will tell. I don't think any horse is unbeatable, Secretariat lost a few times, Zenyatta got beat.

[CharlesOlney23]

@ImtheOriginalDougieD Well Sir Henry Cecil has all but ruled out running Frankel on dirt which is why he said that were he to venture to the USA he would run in the Breeders Cup Mile but by then he would be targeting 1m2f races so it would be more likely he would run in the Champions Stakes and then retire.

[regginald81]

@phallex i take it you haven't seen the Sussex Stakes where he destroyed the best miler in years in Canford Cliffs under a hand ride

[phallex]

any body compared the times that BC and Frankel run? would be interesting to see who would win on paper, both horses have the same running fashion (jump first, stay first) Not doubting frankel but i've seen BC win a group 1 without being touched with the whip..

[ImtheOriginalDougieD]

@03hjdoher it'll be interesting to see Frankel going longer. But besides BC and Frankel, European and Australian racing have no major stars. The simple fact is that there's a lack in versatility when you run on grass only. Look at So You Think, he had over $7 million in earnings running on only turf, but when he came over to Churchill and ran on the dirt, he ran 6th. I'm not trying to knock BC or Frankel, I'm just stating that if they were to run on a different surface, they may not perform.

[okimthestig]

@Joshuadoherty1

[03hjdoher]

@ImtheOriginalDougieD Frankel is moving up to 10f this season, Maybe 12f. In reality mate North American racing isn't a patch on on European or Australian racing at the minute the ratings will back that up.



[ImtheOriginalDougieD]

I'd like to see BC and Frankel run on a surface that isn't grass. The reason there aren't more North American horses who aren't undefeated like these 2 is because we run our horses on different surfaces and at different distance. Black Caviar only goes 5-7f on the grass, Frankel goes 7f-1m on the grass. They have no versatility.

[ardentspy]

I'd love to see Black Caviar trying to keep up with that as she tasted her first loss.