Atheist Evangelicals

Extremism "lite"? Atheist Evangelicalism? Whatever it is, it seems to be more prevalent online than it is in face-to-face conversations. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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[starfleetofficer1]

@starfleetofficer1 Because, of course, atheism is a belief system and when a belief system becomes the governance of law, it falls into the same fallacy that any other oligarchy would? And that communism is the best vehicle through which to push atheism because it insists that you cannot have an individual idea of who rules over you, since the state must be your overarching authority? You cannot have a personal God under communism, since it directly goes against its philosophy?

[starfleetofficer1]

@TheBikermanUK Of course. You start with Ori Friedman's study that appeared in Science News that indicated that capitalism was innate. You can also look into the RealClearMarkets article by Mark Hunter that outlined why attacking capitalism is akin to attacking human nature (though not a study, it does a very good job of proving its point). There are others, if you are interested. If you agree once you explore these, do you admit I am right that atheism is just as likely to produce genocide?

[TheBikermanUK]

@starfleetofficer1 What recent studies would these be? Have you any references?

[starfleetofficer1]

@TheBikermanUK There is no such thing as a society without an overarching authority, either a republic or an oligarchy. Communism requires an oligarchy to work, because a republic requires individualism and the ability to form individual wealth in order to work. An economy of communism works only when the citizens are not able, under the law, to freely accumulate wealth because, as we have found with recent studies, the accumulation of wealth is human nature.

[starfleetofficer1]

@TheBikermanUK Point to me a stable society without an overarching authority of some sort. Go ahead, attempt to find one. I assure you, there is no society in existence, nor has there ever been a society in existence, that is run without an overarching authority. There are 2 kinds of societies--oligarchy, and republic. In an oligarchy, the many are controlled by the few. In a republic, the government is run by the people. There is a comprehensive video about this here: /watch?v=uIcOfu6Udec

[TheBikermanUK]

@starfleetofficer1 Marxism doesn't propose a government at all. It is Leninism that requires the 'vanguard party' acting 'in the name of the workers'.

[TheBikermanUK]

@starfleetofficer1 Err...what? Where do you get this stuff? Of course they had economies. I suggest you read Kreissig or Horsley. Communism doesn't require an overarching authority - the whole point is that authority comes from the people. Now, of course, states which have called themselves communist HAVE been authoritarian, but it is perfectly possible to conceive of states which are communist and have no over-arching authority.

[starfleetofficer1]

And it is a main tenant of Marxism--the entire idea of having a God means that your rights come from something greater than humans, which means that each individual is uniquely created, which means that someone may earn more than another, which is the opposite of Marxism, where everyone is equal under the government, which decides who gets what (according to what they presume is your need). If Someone Else determines your need, you have no need for the government.

[starfleetofficer1]

The point of the discussion was not whether atheism leads to more or less morality, but a better quality lifestyle. And you stated that no one ever killed because of a lack of belief in Gods. I disagree. I think that a lack in belief in Gods, when it enters the government and becomes mandatory, has been shown time and again in history to lead to killing people who do believe in God. Atheism is not an exception to the rule--it is still a belief, and therefore susceptible to leaders' folly.

[starfleetofficer1]

@TheBikermanUK Actually, you did allude to it quite clearly. @starfleetofficer1 But the evidence is clear - check any syatistic you like - marriage breakup, prison sentences, teenage pregnancy....you name it. Then compare the number of atheists with the number of religious, and standardise for population (the US is, according to a reasonable estimate, 8% atheist) and I think you might be surprised to find that atheists generally do better than theists....

TheBikermanUK 4 days ago