ON PARADOX: Index, Icon, Symbol (Jakobson Contra Saussure)

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• Holenstein
• Bateson
• Jakobson
• Peirce
• Saussure
• index
• icon
• symbol
• semiotics
• signifier
• signified
• sign
• communication
• language
• evidence
• crime
• investigation
• paradox
• paradoxical

[TheSheepThatLookedUp]

person people nation all the same lenght but increasing in size...mr big bigger biggest, What i want to understand is what are you tring to force fit by cherry picking your exaples?

[Professoranton]

@TheSheepThatLookedUp The point, cited in the Holenstein book, is that many many different languages have this structural feature of signification. The signifier is not arbitrarily related to the signified but there are morphological and structural relations, in many different language, which capture this way of "extending or refining" a concept by systematic grammatical alterations. These relations between signifier & signified are therefore more motivated than arbitrary.

[dowdfather]

this discussion is interesting in relation to creating & maintaining class distinctions. those attempting to present themselves as part of another class would dwell largely in the iconic, correct?

[Professoranton]

@dowdfather Good call. Strategists of all sorts, within any already functioning system, will need to "cloak" their doing in appearances to give the semblance of ....(X).

Although many class indicators are somewhat arbitrary from the perspective of another cultural value system, from within a given cultural system iconic values/signs are highly "motivated." They are crucial for memesis.

[Yamikaiba123]

Can a red shirt get stained by ketchup?

[MultiPaulinator]

Those are actually sun visors on the streetlights, so the sun doesn't shine through to the lights mirror. One time, I came up on an intersection where they'd been blown off recently by a storm. I was headed eastbound at around 5 pm. Everyone going the other directions could see what color their light was, but the one I was looking at might as well have been turned off.

Awesome material. Paradoxes have always fascinated me. Thanks for the upload.

[dewinthemorning]

(3:17, "bigger, biggest, tallest, largest" Ok, but what about 'smallest', lol)

Fav'ed! This video shows us how deep and complicated philosophy is. It is about human thinking, which, I guess, is itself complicated. It is concerned most of all with abstractions. As long as we use it correctly, and always keep in mind what cognitive sciences tell us.

[Robinsonero]

Factical contiguity.

[9macrina9]

I wish you would apply this analysis to the question you ask of christianity....the "can you forgive god" question mixes the indexical (historicity of the god concept within the Hebraic tradition) with its evolution to the iconic (the resemblance to, but transitioning) to the symbolic viability of "god". The referent "God" and it's concept have expanded and is open to a creativity such that Christ could say "I desire mercy, not sacrifice"., a central paradox of a divine/human relationship.

[treegraph]

Interesting, I didn't know these terminologies.