Why I See Determinism As Correct

This is a difficult thought to convey appropriately so bear with me.

Again, the guy that started this mess:
http://youtube.com/ujames1978forever

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[mrwhite692000]

I think what you're trying to say is that the evolution of the wavefunction (described by Schrödinger's equation) is deterministic. This is true. However, the collapse of the wavefunction is not deterministic. To say we don't experience this is false, the decay of radioactive materials is a direct result of wavefunction collapse. I would avoid relying on many worlds to explain your position, look up quantum decoherence for a measurer independent view on wavefunction collapse.

[theskepticalheretic]

@mrwhite692000 you're assuming I think the wave function actually collapses.

[shlockofgod]

The many worlds is an just interpretation of quantum mechanics. It could very well be bollocks.

You can't reason from an interpretation to your conclusion and then brazenly assert that it is correct. That's not valid. The idea that "anything that can possibly happen does happen" has been demonstrated to be true at all is completely false.

You couldn't possibly know that.

This is at best speculation. I personally think it's nonsense or an possibly an attempt to bamboozle.

[theskepticalheretic]

@shlockofgod how would I be able to "bamboozle" you if I don't create proscription of condemnation or prescription of moral/immoral action?

Effectively my statement is a guard against certainty even within the boundaries of a deterministic universe.

[omennoecile]

This video contradicts cultural determinism. Cultural phenomena ought to have some material causes. Ideas are not material though genes are. The analysis of cultural phenomena on non materialistic causes is the kind of religious view Marx wanted to deny cause of the fact that before him socialism was based on non matter. Again though the "subjective factor" under marxian theory is undermined by genetic determinism. You can't be a determinist, in any scientific way, & not a genetic determinist.

[Ape65]

I've never bought the infinite-universes hypothesis. Intuitively, it just seems too messy and wasteful. The whole thing smells of epicycles.

[Donatellangelo]

I disagree, but the joke is on me because you need determinism to contradict it. Thus I-

[Amsterdamned33]

wow...

[PainAddict666]

I've never understood how people could ever assert that anything behaves randomly. Even something as simple as a coin flip doesn't behave randomly. It's only safe to say that something appears to behave randomly right?

[Yourgodssuck]

God! What a worthless debate. I wonder why that happened? Who cares? It happened. Drink a beer and get over it.

[kphilpott77]

I have way off topic question. If the state were to tax the churches, is that not secularism?

[mrwhite692000]

@theskepticalheretic well saying things like "randomness comes from taking a measurement" and referring to the double slit experiment certainly implies you think the wavefunction does collapse and you'd be right to think it does. Do you think it ever collapses?