Cross vs Torture Stake

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Did Jesus die on a traditional cross or a torture stake? Why did the WBTS misquote various sources to come to their conclusion?

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[middleman777]

"The upright post is called stipes, the transverse beam patibulum; and it was this, rather than the entire instrument, which the criminal carried to the place of execution (Plaut. Mostell. i. 1, 53, and ap. Non. s.v. patibulum)." -Webster's Online Dictionary

[middleman777]

"The prisoner then usually had to carry the horizontal beam (patibulum in Latin) to the place of execution, not necessarily the whole cross. Crucifixion was typically carried out by specialized teams, consisting of a commanding centurion and four soldiers. When it was done in an established place of execution, the vertical beam (stipes) was sometimes permanently embedded in the ground." -word IQ (dot) com

[middleman777]

"4716 staurós – the crosspiece of a Roman cross; the cross-beam (Latin, patibulum) placed at the top of the vertical member to form a capital "T." "This transverse beam was the one carried by the criminal" (Souter)." -Strongs (Greek concordance)

[middleman777]

"Method of capital punishment among the Persians, Seleucids, Jews, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD. The condemned man was usually whipped and forced to drag the crossbeam [patibulum] to where the upright was standing. His hands were tied or nailed to the crossbeam, which was attached to the upright 9–12 ft (2.5–3.5 m) above the ground, and his feet bound or nailed to the upright." -The Free Dictionary (dot) com

[blinksy100]

primarily through the Roman Church through Constantine. Christianity today has European pagan, Roman and Greek mythology mixed into it. Many celebrations, including Easter, Christmas, New Years, Valentine's Day etc. etc. have their roots in ancient mythologies. This is common knowledge. The cross is not a symbol of the Bible and nor are the other holidays I just mentioned in the Bible.

[middleman777]

@blinksy100

I just gave you 5 dictionary references to back up my claims. How much longer do we need to go round and round on this?

[EdM021]

2:01 Not tree truck, but tree *trunk.* In other words, a palus, a sedilis excessu, a cornu, an acuta crux, a skolops. In other words, an impaling stake attached to a cross.

Yes, the Romans were that perverted. They even know how to crucify people on crosses with such an appendage so that the person suffering that which is (to us) cruel and unusual and perverted and shameful punishment would through the dance of the cross "ride" the stake.

[Artscola]

Scientists have also researched that a cross would have been too heavy for Jesus to walk so far with. The cross has heavy pagan worship that existed before Jesus walked the earth. I'm not a Jehovah's witness but the truth is the truth. Don't find ways to accept lies.

[Artscola]

This is a bias video that doesn't provide all evidence that clearly proves Jesus died on a cross. Also their isn't more information that talks about Constantine and how he wore a crucifix around his head and neck. Don't leave out details about how Tammuz was worshipped by a cross.

[ojl22]

Very informative. Thank you very much for sharing that.

[EdM021]

Sorry, but nailing to the surface of a pole =/= impale on a stake.

if you consider all the ancient Greek and Latin writings that talk about the Roman execution, they talk alternatively about nailing, hanging from a transverse beam, hanging on a stake or treetrunk, lifted onto a stake or into a cross, impaled, and even "piledriving themselves"!! And epigraphic evidence from Pompeii and Puteoli confirms *all* of this. And Alexamenos Graffito shows a preliminary stage before adding a stake.

[Fizzypop1211]

Hello mate. I am a "Dubbie" - clearly not a good one cos I am responding to this - it is interesting and your quotes are interesting. I wonder if you accept the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one, along with all that entails? How does this reconcile with everyone saying do your own research - i.e. read sources from the world on a subject that the wicked one would like to ensure remains obscured, confused, shrouded in conjecture. Tricky.

[druidic6]

What does it matter? The issue I have is that people all over wear a torture device around their necks and bow down before it in prayer. "Let's all bow our heads before an image of a man being slowly tortured to death" Sounds horrid to me.