Litwa - Wilno i Troki 4.05.2007 r.

Filmik podsumowujący całodzienny wypad na Litwę - zwiedziliśmy Troki i Wilno.

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• Litwa
• Wilno
• Troki
• Europe
• Lithuania
• Vilnus
• trip
• film

[srebrnyAg]

Podkład niewłaściwy, bo Mickiewicz nie miał na myśli tylko bałtyckich ziem dzisiejszej tzw. Litwy. To nic nie znaczy, że Żmudzini sobie nazwali tak państwo, nie zważając na to, że było to państwo bardziej słowiańskie - przede wszystkim białoruskie i ukraińskie (czyli po prostu ruskie), a w 20 wieku ludność ruska w dużej mierze identyfikowała się jako Polaków. Szkoda, że mało kto o tym wie - niestety nie uczą tego w szkołach.

[moszczur]

No co Ty nie powiesz :). I pewnie myślisz że chciałem zasugerować widzom, że Mickiewicz czuł się Litwinem, bo dałem taki podkład? Dałem taki, a nie inny podkład, bo Mickiewicz urodził się w tamtych stronach ("szeroko nad błękitnym Niemnem rozciągnionych") - dlatego tak idealnie pasuje do tego, co jest w filmie (jak nie wierzysz, to dowiedz się jak nazywa się rzeka, która jest pokazana jest na początku filmu).

[moszczur]

A "Panna co w ostrej świeci bramie" to też pewnie nawiązanie do okolic Kijowa i Rusi jako takiej?

[tofer4rp]

@moszczur - może Cię nie zrozumiałem.

Pewnie to truizm...

Mickiewicza "Litwa" to Wielkie Księstwo Litewskie a Litwin to mieszkaniec tej części Rzeczpospolitej.

Litewskie elity najpierw się zrutenizowały - rozpłynęli się wśród podbitej ludności.

Na podbitych terenach etniczni Litwini zaczęli mówić po rusku a później po polsku.

To trwało wieki.

Przełom XIX i XX w - po litewsku mówiono na Żmudzi i Auksztocie (Litwa Właściwa).

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Zamek w Trokach to nie zabytek - to rekonstrukcja.

[ziutek998]

@rintintinas

Of corse my friend! Keep the effort up! Let our compatriots in Vilnius region feel even more Polish! That's what Poland and Lithunia truley want :)

Keep telling you are democractic, but on the other hand don't listen to your citizens! Keep it up! Be like Ukraine or Belarus and tell that there no problems at all! O wojne z Litwa, prosimy Cie Panie.

[rintintinas]

@ziutek998 Ya if you see something like that it is called schizophrenia, good look and I think you should get to doctor. Best wishes in getting better for you.

[ziutek998]

@rintintinas Democracy contains minority rights but forget that. O wojnę z Litwą prosimy Cię Panię, because you can cure stupidity. Nevermind, you are just like all the rest Żumidzni. No point to argue, you just can't understand the rights of minority, there are inside barriers in your brain that you suck with the mother's milk. Keep doing whatever you are doing. I'm happy to see Vilnius again in Polish borderlines :) Just keep the good effort mate!

[rintintinas]

@ziutek998 ;D Piss on your "Cię Panię" First learn what democracy mean, then argue, we have all what it takes to be called democracy, and if your source are polish that proves nothing about reality... What democracy you have, who are you to teach us?

[ziutek998]

@rintintinas Because they are Polish like me. And ye ye ye ye ye ye sure. No wonder why they complain, because for lithuanians there is simply no problem. Your election system? Well, what kind of democracy do you have? O wojnę z Litwą prosimy Cię Panię.

[rintintinas]

@ziutek998 poles in "Wilenszcyna" say... Great argument dude, REALY great, very reliable...

Check your "facts" then come to discuss.My mom teaches at polish school, believe me I know that is public school and financed from Lithuania budget. And our election system is our matter not yours, It's our model not German or polish... And polish have their representitives in Lithuanian parlament so what's your problem again?

[ziutek998]

@rintintinas As I said, you have no idea about democracy. Also, the Poles in Wilenszczyna are saying, schools are financed by them or Polish Senat.

In democracy, minorites don't have to cross election threshold to be in parlament. This is their right to share their opinions etc. In Poland a German minority had 0.21%, but they got election mandate so they are in parlament. I repeat again: Lithuanian goverment don't finance minority schools. They are treated as private sector, not public.

[rintintinas]

@ziutek998 ^^, Were the hell did you get that Polish finance polish schools in Lithuania?

Polish Senat?.. AWPL ? Are you kidding me ? It's unkwown to me how AWPL is legal in Lithuania... Pack of KGB agents with ignorant fuck Tomashevski ahead, By the way how can AWPL susidize schools? Where did they get money from? And I said to you already, that EU laws are legal in Lithuania and by that we HAVE minorities law!!! And what up with elections? Every party has same bariers so what's the problem?

[ziutek998]

@rintintinas Minority schools in Lithuania are not financed by Lithuanian goverment but by Polish Senat and AWPL. The problem is, the right of minorities are STANDARD in any demogracy country, not in Lithuania. Its the way democracy works. In Lithuania there isn't a law that protect minorities.

Election threshold affect minority parties - PL - NO, LT - YES. A exam from mother toungue counts to education certificate PL YES , LT NO. You have no idea about democracy, as russian burned your books