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Queen Taekwon-do ITF from Poland.

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[Noodle1989]

As usual everyone on Youtube is a fucking expert....

[CartoonHead08]

@Kopp203 what the point being able to fight that well when nowadays you get shot or stabbed

[Kopp203]

15 years ago, me and 3 guys from our TKD club (WTF style) are going home from class. One of us had been training 6 years, 2nd dan, kicked ass at tournaments. He was pretty much the best in our club, both technique & sparring ability. 2 guys start getting sassy, as 1 of us was still in his dobok. 2nd dan, confident in his bad assery, squares off to the mouthy one. Straight left, right hook, 2nd dan on the floor asleep, never been in a real fight and had crap punch defense. I rest my case.

[RyanJW13]

and once that happens, as it inevitably will, you'll be left questioning wtf you spent all those years and all that money training something that was of virtually no use to you when the chips were down and it was time to deliver.

Once TKD stops calling itself a martial art, when the martial component is conspicuous in its absence, people like me will stop calling it out on the Internet. TKD sport athletes are jusut that, sport athletes, they aren't fighters in any sense of the word.

[RyanJW13]

The fault is with the training methodology and its real life application.  So long as you understand you are training a sport and are happy with that, then good for you. Problem with TKD is that a lot of instructors market it as a martial art and use "self defense" in advertising it.

Kicking and punching empty air,drilling patterns and light contact sparring won't help you in a real fight against someone that isn't an idiot. You will be put down hard and fast. continued>

[caribbeanpriceclub]

@Kopp203 All fight training is different. Train in muay thai, fight in itf competition against reasonably competent persons and you will ,lose.

That's how ring fighting is, you have to train.

I think ITF tkd is eminently practical. I don't understand why people need to bag on tkd, sniff.

What do you think is unrealistic, is it kicks, punches , elbows, knees, jumping techniques, ground techniques, throwing, tripping, open hand techniques, breaking, patterns, self defense or conditioning? what?

[Kopp203]

You could be Hee Il Cho himself and you'd still only be self-delusional if you think either style of Taekwondo makes you a fighter. Enter a local amateur MMA event and try your skills out against even a brazilian jujitsu white belt with a few months of training. You'd be on the floor and submitted in very short order.

I used to think like you. A streetfight against someone that wasn't a chump with zero training soon woke me up to the reality of a fight without rules and a referee.

[Noodle1989]

Lol, I've done WTF style for over 13 years (I'm 20) work it out. Did ITF a couple of years also to try it out.

Also where is it generally acknowleged I would like references, from viable sources.

[SickMyDuckFilms]

@thetruthboss all the big competitions and stuff you just go slam bang whallop, and try to score points and knock the other person .

go to a small (or eveb a large) clubs competition and it's all dodging, holds and out witting the other person whilst you spar (fight).

in other words

olympic level competitions: rubbish,overated, don't show the skill behind TKD

Club Level sparring and competitions : great, tough for contestants, and they require actual skill.

[faststrikex]

dat looked more like kickboxing

[Kopp203]

@misfit1978 - Krav Maga.

@cartoonhead08 - at least I train in a manner that would give me a better chance of survival against knife attacks, or guns in close range, than some taekwondo exponent.

[StillSkyHigh]

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