Dan Barker - John-Mark Miravalle "Does God Exist?" KU

May 6th, 2011, Woodruff Auditorium, University of Kansas

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[dfvish]

@bluesaxnov1 Congratulations, you just showed how sophisticated theology is a non-subject.

[kucatholic1]

Source of evil - not a thing. Source is free will, an attribute of God shared by His creatures. Neither evil nor its source are things. If evil is a thing, what is it made of? How much does it weigh? JM can talk about evil because he believes in God, and therefore the possiblity of the rejection of God. For an atheist to use the word 'evil' is more problematic - what is evil, exactly? If you want to talk about it it had better be a real thing, because it's your favorite'proof' against God

[MrKeenoRossi]

If god really does exist, and we're created in his/its image, then there would be no denying or debating it.

If god omniscient and all powerful, then he obviously created each one of us knowing exactly how we would turn out - which means that he created people to reject the claims that he/it exists.

That would mean he/it created a lot of people with the express intent to torture them in hell.

Anybody who has interest in an intellectually honest discussion, can't get around this. Wake up!

[MrKeenoRossi]

@Porfavador - Atheism isn't a claim that "god doesn't exist" so why would you expect Barker to utter that statement? Atheism is the rejection, as truth, of the claim that god(s) do indeed exist. There's a difference.

Atheism is irrelevant to personal feelings, desires, or hopes (wishful thoughts). Atheism is only concerned with truth. In that, atheism doesn't make any truth claims ...but rather it is simply reluctant to accept the claims that god(s) exists as being true.

[vikingaprinsessan]

Gosh, Dan is soooo smart!

[Porfavador]

What's up with Dan Barker? He keeps mentioning that if god is real he must stink and he keeps referring to the bible like it is book of doctrine, the bible is a historical book for the most part. Anyways I listened through this entire debate and I didn't hear Dan say the phrase " God does Not exist" once. If anyone can find a time where he specifically says that please write a comment with the time. With all this I don't see how Dan could have won at all.

[b14blah]

Dan Barker did well...and won the debate easily.

[wubbadubdub]

nope. he never had an idea. John Mark is a complete idiot.

[wubbadubdub]

10 minutes in. tell me this jackass says something meaningful eventually. this is pathetic.

[ballasgleek]

@kucatholic1 If God is a thing, what is he made of ? How much does he weigh ? I trust you see the ridiculousness of your argument ?

[thecoreycorndog]

MAGNETS ARE MAGIC!

[zappafile]

So apparently metaphor upon metaphor equals proof. Weak argumentation.