Does God Exist? Answer to therealdarthkye is Still "No".

Response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_OeOtBLtwY&feature=channel_video_title

Which includes this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwjAX_r2kIU&feature=channel_video_title

By this awesome user: http://www.youtube.com/theramintrees

and references this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY_zGA8pQLI&feature=channel_video_title

By this awesome youtuber (who may have kicked my ass recently, we'll see): http://www.youtube.com/sisyphusredeemed

Music by Kevin MacLeod: http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/index.html
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[vbfl920]

And again, at the very least, it's highly controversial that matter itself didn't come into being at the Big Bang. I still have never heard matter spoken of as being "timeless",completely apart from the Big Bang.

[HonestDiscussioner]

@vbfl920 I don't think it's nearly as controversial as you make it out to be. Matter isn't "timeless" but it did exist in a timeless state.

[vbfl920]

Granting you that for the sake of argument.....That's a non-sequitur. We haven't seen matter come into existence, therefore it must've always been around. That doesn't follow.

[HonestDiscussioner]

@vbfl920 If you consider there was no time before the big bang, it existed in a timeless state, energy is neither created nor destroyed. That's something that exists eternally.

[HonestDiscussioner]

@nospacesallowed Well I don't need to use the word "create" . . how about "began"? I think I could go along with your model none-the-less.

[nospacesallowed]

@HonestDiscussioner There may have been a state of affairs where there was not space-time. My point is the use of the word create is not applicable to time since time is inherent in the concept of creation. It is like saying English came to exist at the end of Hamlet, because English was needed to write Hamlet. I think it might be more accurate to say our current concept of space-time came to be in the expansion or that it settled in its form during expansion.

[HonestDiscussioner]

@vbfl920 "this doesn't equate to demonstrating that matter has been around forever."

If matter existed in a timeless state, then yes it does. We can find no proof of creation ex nihilo, therefore there is nothing to say that the creation event happened.

[vbfl920]

I can't comment like that because I'm on an IPhone.

No, just because the Big Bang shows (depending which model you're referring to) that matter expanded....this doesn't equate to demonstrating that matter has been around forever. I don't think any scientist will claim that conclusively.

[HonestDiscussioner]

@nospacesallowed It may be difficult to conceive, but I don't think impossible. There wasn't "a time without time" certainly, but there could be "a state of affairs in which time did not exist". The expansion of the universe created space-time, but none of this suggests that it must be the case that there was creation "ex nihilo" or "from nothing", but that whatever matter and energy is today either existed eternally or was in some or form, but nothing suggests it was created "ex nihilo".