The God of Calvinism is not loving?

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Uploaded by on Jul 1, 2011

Does God have the freewill to love whoever He chooses to love? Or are we to insist that He must love every human equally? If God wanted to hate, is He incapable of doing so because He is limited by His own love nature? If God wanted every human to be saved, is capable of saving everyone and Christ died for everyone... then why isn't every human saved? God CAN save everyone, right? But He CHOOSES NOT to. Why? And why does He choose to throw billions of His own loved ones in hell?

The triune God loves the sheep with an eternal, unconditional love. He will never forsake any of them, He will never allow any of them to perish. All whom God loves, He saves.

Does Jesus ever lose any of the sheep?

[39] This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. (John 6:39, NASB)

[27] My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; [28] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. [29] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. (John 10:27-29, NASB)

In Arminian related doctrine, God loses the vast majority of His own loved ones. He throws billions of His own loved ones into hell. The God of Calvinism, does not even throw ONE of His special loved ones in hell.

Which is more loving?

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  • So atheist will have a perfect excuse on judgement day?? because the calvinistic god condemned them before they were born. Does the calvinistic god forces some men to rape, murder etc???

    Romans 1v20... so that they are without excuse:

    Matt10:32* Whosoever* therefore shall confess me* before men, him will I

    confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

    10:33 But *whosoever* shall deny me* before men, him will I also deny

    before my Father which is in heaven.

    Romans 8v28....subject to vanity,..

  • @GST20101 For example, "whosoever" in Mt 10:32 is translated from the Greek word "pas" (πᾶς) which just means "all". So the verse is actually saying "ALL who therefore shall confess me...". It's not saying any random person can or has the ability. Jesus said "No one can come to Me" in John 6:44 and 6:65. Explain that.

  • @ETHANGELIST How do you interpret the word "ALL" in the following verse:

    Romans5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon *ALL* men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon *ALL* men unto justification of life.

    Also why did God make man subject to vanity(Romans 8v28.)

    Is Rev3v5 just a vain threat?: ...I will not *blot out* his name out of the book of life,... +1Tim4v1...depart from the faith,... . Q? what faith did/do they depart from?.

  • @GST20101 The "all" men in Romans 5:18 cannot possibly be every human, because if it was then the verse would be teaching that every human is justified which would make Paul a Universalist.

    Besides, read the next verse:

    † For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. † (Rom 5:19, NASB)

    "Many" is a limited amount. The many is the elect, because they're made righteous or justified.

  • @ETHANGELIST if only "...many were made sinners,...(Rom 5:19, NASB)" , that would mean some didn't need Christ to die for them right? Romans 3:23 For *all* have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Does your bible say all or many have sinned?.-Romans3v25.

    Still looking forward to your explaination of Rev3v5-re:blott out, Romans 8v28 why was man made subject to vanity. + 1 more: 1Cor14:33 For God *is not* the author of confusion,... . Does this mean god is not sovereign in all things?

  • @GST20101 I know every human is a son of Adam, born into sin. But regarding Romans 5:19, Paul was specifically addressing the sin of the elect and also the justification of the elect. Again, the "many" is the elect. If the "many" was every human, then every human would be made righteous, which is anti-biblical.

    I don't understand the point you're trying to make regarding Rev 3:5 and Rom 8:28?

  • @GST20101 1Cor 14:33 does not prove God is not sovereign over all things. Not even close. Paul also writes this:

    † also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, † (Eph 1:11, NASB)

    Does this verse say "all things" or not?

    Besides, 1Cor 14:33 is in regards to the misuse of spiritual gifts. Paul is simply saying that they should be in order and organized, rather than in disorder.

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  • @GST20101 Whether you are a Calvinist or not, you still believe God chooses to allow evil to happen in this world, because we all know it does and is happening all the time. But the difference is, in Calvinism, everything happens for a reason and nothing is random, including good and bad things. God is truly sovereign over His own creation. But for the non-Calvinist, so much evil happens at random and for no purpose. Which is better? All things being in control by God or everything being random?

  • @GST20101 God never forces anyone to do anything. Rapists are not forced to rape, they choose to and they sin willingly. Ask them. They will never say "God forced me", they definitely did it on purpose because of their wicked desires. The same applies to the elect loving God. God never forces someone to love Him, instead He gives a spiritually dead sinner a new heart and makes them spiritually alive, so that they can and will come to Christ in faith and love Him by choice.

  • @GST20101 Atheists will definitely have no excuse on judgment day. Everyone condemned to hell are wicked, depraved sinners who have rejected and hated Christ and will be justly punished by the holy and righteous and just God. "whosoever" is an ENGLISH word which too many professing Christians read their own definition into. Why don't you check out the Greek for "whosoever"? You will find that whosoever is not even a literal translation from any Greek word.

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