Let me introduce myself

For 33 years I was a devouted evangelical christian serving in various lay-leader positions at churches I had attended. In the early to mid 90's I left christianity as I could not reconcile what the church practiced and taught with what the new testament teaches. I will explore these issues here. So, let me introduce myself...

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[herbertwarmstrong]

Some Christians do keep the Old Testament laws, they are are known as Sabbatarians. The biggest of these groups are the Seventh Day Adventists. But Herbert W. Armstrong started the Worldwide Church of God and taught obedience to the Ten Commandments, observe the Holy Days of Leviticus 23, taught to eat only clean meats (Lev 11), and observe the Saturday Sabbath. We also adhere to British Israelism, believing the Jews cannot claim to be Israel, but only Judah. Essentially the Torah are God's laws

[prescottjohnson]

@herbertwarmstrong there are christians who observe a form of "Old" Testament laws as literally stated, and usually in a very selective manner, as you've outlined. Even the 10 Commandments ("Statements") cannot be observed without looking to the rest of Written Torah, and Written Torah, when followed, naturally produces an "Oral" Torah (even if you reject the idea of an Oral Torah "given" by G-d, judgements rendered would create precedents for future legal decisions by a court).

[prescottjohnson]

@herbertwarmstrong so anyone trying to observe Written Torah, will end up creating some type of oral tradition of their own, no different than a christmas or easter tradition. Once this happens, and it does, don't they become guilty of "adding" to the commandment, the very criticism made against the rabbis? And no one of these groups can point to a history of their "observance", only a recent notion that without the "Old" Testament, theirs is a baseless faith. on that point, they are correct.

[Yirmeyahu924]

@Dejan2116 I forgot. You Xtians teach us Jews about Torah. My mistake. You don't know ridiculous you sound. Who told you I don't keep Shabbat or kashrut or are you the one that put a camera in my bedroom so you know about the instruction of family purity? Clean out your ears and get this straight. You are repeating what you have heard and you can't confirm any of it. You are dead according to Torah and Torah was well before your Null Testament and Torah destroys your Null Testament.

[Dejan2116]

@Yirmeyahu924

You don't keep Shabbat or kashrut, and you do not have family purity. You fool yourself and judge yourself righteous by your own standards, not by Hasheim's. The law was given to make you see your errors, NOT to make you think you can keep it. You miss the point of the law, too! You are just like your people of old who could never discern the voice of God when it called. To you God sent the prophets, but you closed your ears and shut your eyes. You don't understand Christianity.

[Yirmeyahu924]

@Dejan2116 Do you think I haven't heard your line of confusion before. I left Xtianity because I figured out that HaSheim doesn't make empty promises like you. It simply is illogical and can not be true. You have only your rote repetition of empty offers of salvation. You are not to be pitied but are quite pitiful. Learn some Hebrew, learn something. Shabbat, kashrut, family purtiy are not empty. Your promises are empty.

[Dejan2116]

@Yirmeyahu924

The problem is, no man can do Torah, and therefore no man shall live. That's the point. That's why you need a Savior. That's why Jesus came, to save you from the curse of the Torah. You have not kept Torah. Look into your heart and see how many times you break Torah. When have you ever seen HaSheim forgive without a sacrifice? You need a perfect sacrifice; you need God to sacrifice on your behalf. And this was Jesus the Messiah. You missed God's grace and chose empty tradition..

[Dejan2116]

@Yirmeyahu924

That's okay. You have judged yourself unworthy of the good news of God's grace in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Continue in your fruitless journey of keeping the law, not that you ever can or have kept it. Some people just do not accept the truth when it's given to them, and you never will, unless the Spirit of God works within you. The Torah is good and holy; it's so good and holy it will condemn all those who have not kept it on the last day. You need salvation bro.

[Yirmeyahu924]

For those of you able to grasp simple logic unlike Dejan2116, the Torah says in Wayikra 18:5 (Leviticus) "which a man do he shall live in them." So the Torah does indeed promise life for those that do their best to keep it. It can't be kept without error. That is not the purpose. Kipur (atonement/forgiveness) for miss stepping HaSheim only gives to those doing their best to keep it. Read it in Hebrew. You will find it!

[Yirmeyahu924]

@Dejan2116 Your belief in Torah is BS. Your works are evil or you would turn to Torah. You have no light which is defined as Torah. You have no fruit which is defined by Torah. You must be a recording. If you are only a brain stem then you shouldn't be trying to convince anyone of the lie of Jzeus and the NT. Sorry I took up time and space here on you.