We started the riot: Report 7 of the weeklong resistance coverage of the G20 rebellions

Debunking the "agent provocateur" and "the cops let it happen" conspiracy theories. Kristian Williams an expert on police tactics during mass demonstrations speaks about the state's monopoly of power

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• toronto
• police
• riot
• black bloc
• smash
• windows
• agent provocateur

[TyrannisSicSemper]

@resteep Yeah ... I admit it. You got us! Well done resteep! The truth is, they fly us all over the world to start riots and get the hippies beaten up.

I've always thought it's a waste of tax dollars but, hey! Got to bring the NWO to power, right?

Of course ... since you're likely some kind of pacifist hippy yourself, the idea of you "coming for us fake fucks" isn't very intimidating now, is it? I'm shaking in my cop boots ... which is how you identify me, right?

[FreeMBS]

@cacatperoata heyy....why you callin the stim a shill?? Thats not very nice

[evanlongaccount]

I heard a counterargument (not a terribly convincing one) but no debunking. The Kristian Williams segment did not even directly address rioting; it was from your other video with him.

[254sneak]

riot porn lol

[TyrannisSicSemper]

@resteep

Are you even READING my posts?! I SAID you said "co-opted" ... stop saying "straw-man", you don't even know what it means.

and how the hell would you know what the goals of the toronto block bloc were? You don't. You can't even keep track of your own analysis.

Also, I don't vote on comments, but obviously the Stimulator's fan-base disagrees with you. No surprise there.

[resteep]

Respond to this video...also, super-cute to come here and repeatedly vote down my comments. Shows an awesome level of your own confidence in your ability to let the debate suss itself out. Such tactics are certainly ironic given the topic at hand. 

[resteep]

@TyrannisSicSemper No, your arguing your straw men yet again. I never said it should be abandoned. I said that the tactics have been co-opted, and the usual script is no longer has the same effectiveness.

The Canada 'riots' are a perfect example of this. Manufactured, packaged, and sold to the general public. And the little 'anarchists' played their part perfectly, without actually be helpful to any of their supposed goals at all.

[TyrannisSicSemper]

@resteep

That's not entirely accurate, is it? I think we've both attempted actual debate and hurled abuse respectively.

I never said there aren't infiltrators, that would be beyond retarded. You were suggesting that all militant protest is so infiltrated and co-opted that the tactics should be abandoned, and I completely disagree with that.

Besides, by that logic, we can't do anything since every group/movement is infiltrated as soon as it becomes effective in any way.

[resteep]

@TyrannisSicSemper What's fun, is anyone reading this exchange can see that I am making reasonable, consistent points, while you are making petty ad hominem attacks and arguing straw men.

One would think if your argument held any water, you could engage me point by point and prove me wrong. Instead, you just attack and distract.

Anyone who's been involved n the movement knows there are infiltrators. I've seen close friends go down because of it. To argue otherwise gives you away.

[resteep]

@TyrannisSicSemper clearly they do.

[TyrannisSicSemper]

@resteep That's cute ... like you know the slightest thing about any of us behind the masks. Have you ever tried talking to the militants? Not preaching, mind you, TALKING.

Might just find some long-time community organizers behind those balaclavas ... but that's if you could be objective on the subject, which you can't because you're married to your stupid conspiracy theory.

"Johnny-come-lately posers" ... bless your heart. "Posers" don't skirmish in the street. They bicker online.