PENN JILLETTE'S GREATEST TRICK EXPOSED ON CHRISTIAN SHOW

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[13dminus]

You guys are the illusionist. Dinosaurs are real man!!!!! We "believe" the bible is true and scientifically accurate?? they gotta be Trolls!!! - Saint Blasphemous Maximous

[kiwiguy77]

WTF the bible is true so the world is flat the sun goes round the earth and the universe is 6000 yrs old?

[Potandthekettle]

Is this supposed to be satire? Its hard to tell

[bsp256]

@jamesvolunteer I understand you have no absolute knowledge, because apart from God, you can be certain of nothing. However, I would ask whether you know for certain whether you have no absolute knowledge. You can see the statement is self-refuting.

However, if someone with infinite and absolute knowledge communicated some facts to me, I would know then know some things absolutely.

If you'd like to continue this, feel free to message me through Youtube.

[bsp256]

@jamesvolunteer I've yet to receive an answer that makes a lick of sense, and we've been going at this for several days. I'm finding you're not to keen on answers.

But I will explain how there can be moral absolutes. God created the universe, and everything belongs to Him, including you. God is good. Things that are contrary to His character are immoral. He has the power to establish moral absolutes and He will enforce them whether you believe or not.

[bsp256]

@jamesvolunteer I'm sorry for assuming you are an atheist. What are you?

You never said "survival is my ultimate aim" but you said that morality is determined by survival instinct. I mentioned survival in context of the conversation we are having.

You've found that Christians like to ask questions, but aren't keen on answers. This conversation started because you accuse God of wrongdoing, and I asked you for your basis in that.

[jamesvolunteer]

@bsp256 That's a big difference I think. I would never claim to have absolute knowledge about anything, and neither should anyone else. Of course everyone is free to choose their own aims. Unfortunately, often Christians try to force, or heavily influence their beliefs onto others. Which again, seems quite contradictory.(to on one hand say that people are free to choose their own aim, and then preach to them about what they 'should' believe).

[jamesvolunteer]

@bsp256 You've made 3 assumptions about me there that are wrong. a) I don't claim to have found any solution to anything. b) I'm neither a materialist, or atheist, and c) I never said that survival is my ultimate aim at all. You asked me where I thought morals come from. Nothing about aims. No offense intended, but I've always found that Christians like to ask questions, but are not so keen on answers.

[bsp256]

@jamesvolunteer So you've found the solution to the is-ought problem? I'd like to see that; you haven't provided it yet. If you are a naturalistic materialist, there is no basis for absolutes. A consistent atheist rejects moral absolutes, though it would be impossible to live that out in this universe that God created.

Your reasoning is arbitrary, because you've arbitrarily chosen survival as the ultimate aim. Everyone else is just as free as you to choose their own aim.

[jamesvolunteer]

@bsp256 ..Also, I'd say because the Bible decrees some moral absolutes, that does not, in any way prove that 'God' created these. In the days before Christianity, I don't think the ancient Egyptians and Mayans were running around in Anarchy. They'd never seen a Bible. (although they were religious I admit). In general its be nice to people and they will be nice to you. Rather than it being a God given moral, I'd say that's more like just plain common sense.