Cheng Style Bagua Dao

Sun Zhi Jun performing the Ba Gua Dao

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[icemanarc]

If you want to know and experience Qi - to anyone on this page - you won't find the answer on this forum or anywhere else on the internet.

You'll have to practice. But I will say it's more than you can imagine, and much less than you might assume.

But it is not magic, and it won't make you fly, but practicing the Internal arts without qi is empty and meaningless. You might as well do ballet, parkour, or breakdancing. You'll never be more than just a guy dancing around in a circle otherwise.

[TaoBoxer]

Always a pleasure to get advice from anonymous friends. Thankyou so much. It has completely changed my perspective.

Lewitt

[icemanarc]

That's a somewhat misleading statement TaoBoxer. They don't all use oversized weapons and also that's not the primary reason they used them. They have roots in actual battle. A sword like this (I like this form, though different from our own using that weapon) also generates a lot of power and can literally crash through armor. Many of the postures will have names likes "sweeping 10000 armies". It does naturally train strength and root, but momentum is more important.

[TaoBoxer]

True enough.... Those are the stories. If my remark was misleading what is "sweeping 10,000 armies?" Comments like "crash through armor" are a bit too prosaic to be useful. Carrying a 10 pound sword makes me strong. Training based on stories of what may or may not have happened in the Qing dynasty or earlier dosn't.

Lewitt

[icemanarc]

that's just a name.  I didn't say that's what they are used for now.

If you're speaking for the now, what you said makes sense. But just because no one engages in armor battle anymore doesn't mean that the essence of the form should be discarded for mere exercise. There's something to learn about using jin and momentum in conjunction, as if one were cutting through armor. Most of these guys were not as strong externally as internally. that's not due to lifting heavy, oversized objects.

[TaoBoxer]

Fables and fantasies. There is no magical "internal" component that suddenly makes it easier to swing a 10 pound sword. Western students tend to buy too quickly into the "Crouching Tiger Syndrome." No amount of Qigong makes it easier to use the blade. Using the blade makes it easier to use the blade. No exceptions.

Lewitt

[icemanarc]

You've got a strong misconception of qi. Qi isn't magic. Hey, if you want to swing a heavy sword around for exercise, be my guest. As for me, I'll use my bowflex.

Also, no one said that qi gong could make you fly, and once again putting them into the same category is misleading. Mostly yourself.

If you haven't experienced qi, then you can't really comment on it. You can argue against it. But so did the Church say the Earth was the center of the universe when they knew nothing about it.

[TheZiggirawk]

@4tibbles, the fact that you call a taijitu "that thing" makes me lol

[Daddyo94521]

I am quite impressed. What control of all the correct angles.

[4Tibbles]

The arrangements of the trigrams on the thing on te wall in the background seems a little random - isn't kun supposed to be on the bottom, and opposite chien (chien at the top)?

[MrMissingimage]

if i had to sum up Qi in one word i would say technique. Qi is a very in depth understanding of you and your opponents actions to such a point as to b able to "see" what they are doing before they know it themselves, also to be able to root and center under the most extreme circumstances... IMHO

yin baguazhang 12 yrs bagua dao 4 yrs

[Tranxhead]

I think that's part of the trick.

[TheEmo01]

ok first of all i have no clue how hard it is to do stuff like that but honestly i doesnt look very hard

[tweetalig]

THIS SHiFU IS THE GREATEST OF ALL THE BAGUA MASTERS IN CHINA!

[pimphics]

see how this man can distract u?

hell look like hes going to make a high cut and comes low. When he turns his back to u his sword will come at u in no second. This is art. i don't do this myself but i can show my respect for this.

[Scalier]

Well said. TaoBoxer, I wanted and I would use all the scientific evidence to prove the existence of many skills gained in cma. However, after 3 years of baji, and now taiji, the only thing that has ever held me back is not being open to the chinese view of life. It's in the end only a matter of perspective.

[ukguy]

excellent, Sun Sifu is the best cheng prsctitioner i know.