William Lane Craig vs Jamal Badawi Debate (HQ) 5/11

This is the full debate in high quality between Dr. William Lane Craig and Dr. Jamal Badawi at the University of Illinois from 1997.

Dr. William Lane Craig:

Ph.D. Philosophy, University of Birmingham, England
D. Theol. Theology, Universität München, Germany


Dr. Jamal Badawi:

Ph.D. Economics, Indiana University, United States


.....................................THE DEBATE.................................. .
THE CONCEPT OF GOD IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY

OPENING STATEMENTS: 20 minutes
Part 1-3: Dr. Craig's Opening Remarks
Part 4-6: Dr. Badawi's Opening Remarks

REBUTTALS: 12 minutes
Part 7: Dr. Craig Responds
Part 8: Dr. Craig concludes/Dr. Badawi begins Response
Part 9: Dr. Badawi Concludes Response

CLOSING REMARKS: 5 minutes
Part 10: Dr. Craig's Closing Comments
Part 11: Dr. Badawi's Closing Comments

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[mgroufael]

When Christ was crucified, He did it to sacrifice Himself for all humankind, not only a certain group of people. As for you saying that God loves Israel above all people, no He did not love them above all. He called them people with hardened hearts; they were very strict. He was trying to teach us a lesson through them; He did not give up on them even though their hearts were hardened and away from Him - speaking of unconditional love.

[mgroufael]

God's love is unconditional meaning no matter how much a person does sins, God still love him and will not give up on him. The verse you have mentioned does not mean that His love is limited to certain group of people but rather it is saying that whoever seeks Him will earn the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ said in Matthew 9:13 "For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” Therefore His love is not only limited to those who are righteous but those who are sinners as well.

[Legend1One]

@NomiVoluntad Hey Nomi, I'm glad to learn, from you, that you have in-fact read the Bible... I'll take you at your word on it. With that being said, I possed 3 or 4 question to you all based on your statement: "His (God's) love is unconditional and not have to be earned;" and also, in my questions, I provided Biblical scriptures to confute (your) theisis/claim. I look forward to hearing your answers in a follow up notes.

[NomiVoluntad]

@Legend1One I was preparing a text to answer because it's a great question, but better stay with the doubt, I will not deal with intolerance, if you think that I did not read the Bible, it is your opinion:)

[Legend1One]

@NomiVoluntad

In regards to Jesus you say:

YOU say: "His love is unconditional and not have to be earned.

How do you account for John 14:21 which says:

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

So, either YOUR right (Gods love is unconditiona) or Jesus (PBUH) is right (God's love is conditional) Bye the way, who is right you or Jesus (PBUH)?

[Legend1One]

@NomiVoluntad

YOU: "The God of the Bible states that He loves all equally"

ME: What?!?!? The Bible clearly states that God loves the Israel above all other nations in the world, and that Israel is His elected or chosen people. In the Bible, God uses Israel to wipe out entire nations time and time again. You are a confused individual who has not READ his Bible. Next time, I suggest you actually read it (the Bible) before you post, so as you don't look like a !%#@ head.

[Legend1One]

@NomiVoluntad According the Christianity, if (as you say) God loves all human beings no matter what they do, why then is He going to cast the evil doers into a lake of fire for all enternity?

[NomiVoluntad]

@Legend1One Yes God loves this people. The problem is that you assume that God is who put unbelievers into hell, quite the contrary the bible teaches that human being has the responsability to choice their fate.

But what i said is that god loves all human beign no matter what they do, they don't have to make right deeds to get the love of God, that's what the quran said about allah's love

[Legend1One]

@NomiVoluntad

You wrote: "His love is unconditional and not have to be earned."

Question? According to Christianity, does God love those whom He will cast into Hell for enternity unconditionally and the same degree, as he loves those who will be admitted into his presence in Paradise (for enternity)?

[NomiVoluntad]

In John 14:20 he said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." NVI. But in the context John is speaking about the Holy Spirit, when a person believes in Jesus then show himself to them, this is said in the next verse "Whoever has my commands and obeys them... and I too will love him and show myself to him.” in 14:23 "we will come to him and make our home with him."