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Then you agree that Jesus did not only pray for the elect, as you say, but also for the non-elect whom He predestined to hell even before the foundation of the earth. Now, that's what I call real love. I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to get you to think for your self instead of following people like Paul Washer and his Calvinist buddies like a parrot. They all use the same old verses to strengthen their own agenda of election.
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@lessingtom Lol No We should always pray for unbelievers. My point was that he did single out the elect who are special to him. what is the deal with you on here anyway. Christians don't need to be arguing. :) Liz
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Does that mean Jesus never prayed for unbelievers? What about "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" or did He pray that prayer for the believers as well?" When He said that He did not pray for the world He meant that He could not pray that particular prayer for the world. Some prayers are for unbelievers only and some for believers only. Surely you know that, don't you? You can't pray something like "Sanctify them through thy truth" for unbelievers, can you?
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@lessingtom Christ himself said " Father I don't pray for the whole world, but for those you have given me". (elect)
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Some of the worst heretics in the past have always gone through many trial and tribulations. Does make their teachings sound and believable?
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@lessingtom Now I get it. You just troll all of these videos that you don't agree with. Why don't you focus your efforts on 1) Studying God's Word 2) Evangelizing 3) Attacking false prophets, not Godly men who proclaim the truth of Scripture.....
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Here again Paul Washer says: "Someone had to drink down that wrath. Jesus Christ on that tree bore the guilt of HIS PEOPLE and stood in their place." Who are his people? Well of course, the elect only. According to Washer, Jesus did not drink down God's wrath against the sins of all mankind but only that of the elect. Hence the fact that God's wrath was against the sins of the elect only and not of the non-elect.
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now this is preaching the message !!!!!
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10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
(Isaiah 53: 10)
Truly, truly Gods wrath was in that cup in the Garden when Jesus asked God if he can pass up this cup. Go look back in the bible on matthew 26 and flip back to Isaiah 53..
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@kanena3 I love you, and I mean it, too.
Many Christians have give their lives for Christ through the centuries and yet we modern christians complain if we have to go through any trials. Great message.
Lachance8 2 years ago 8
Praise God for Yeshua!
fruitofspirit 2 years ago 5