Cameron smashes Brown into pieces at PMQs

Brown gets smashed into pieces over the BA and Unite Union strike by leader of the opposition David Cameron.

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[Brezo18]

And now Labour have a leader that Unite elected for them and they didn't want.

My great-grandfather was a firm union man but he always maintained that the last thing you do is withdraw your labour, that striking should be the absolute last resort. Nowadays we have unions who are eager to strike at the first opportunity because they've grown bold under thirteen years of soft-touch Labour!

[sedwarg]

Gordon Brown was truly the worst PM that Britain's had.

[EvilJohnnyAllen]

@Brezo18 They did that before Labour you donkey.

[carlberg34]

@Sangrenegra9 This is where the whole 'deficit' story comes from right now in 2012. You have to remember that Government only borrow to finance public services, private businesses finances themselves. Utilities were only sold off in the 80's so that the State could reduce its spend. It was Labour that opened up the competition in the early 2000's. It was Labour that opened the UK up to mail competition.

[carlberg34]

@Sangrenegra9 Imagine you are a BT employee in 1970. You are earning £15000 a year (or similar according to the year), the State is paying your wages as it is a Nationalised business and they are taking your taxes. Do you think the State gets £15000 back? Nope - so if you like, every state employee is a loss maker. Of course, we know that Police, firepeople, Nurses, Doctors, Teachers etc etc are all vital to the UK economy but they are not wealth creators.

[carlberg34]

@Sangrenegra9 What Royal Mail needs right now is private investment to allow it to grow. It cannot continue to be funded by the taxpayer, Government is already about to take on it's £9 billion odd pension deficit. As for the Utilities, you may not agree with it - but it still employs the same level (or more) of staff only now the taxpayer does not pay for them. BT for instance now pays its taxes and someone else pays the wages, instead of Gvnmt paying wages and taking taxes.

[Sangrenegra9]

@carlberg34 - Sorry you're right, I was a bit out of order. YT convos rarely get beyond the normal mudslinging, and having a decent convo isn't something that should be squandered

Having said so, I still shudder to think what privatisation will mean for Royal Mail - whatever you may consider to be the source of its problems, selling it off isn't the answer. Some things are just too important to leave to the mercy of shareholders - utilites and railways being two prime examples.

[carlberg34]

@Sangrenegra9 I happen to agree with you to a point. There are too many people at the very top who are self serving and not thinking about Royal Mail. However, from where i sit - i have to deal with it, much like the people i work with do. Luckily i am respected and get on well with those in my office.

[carlberg34]

@Sangrenegra9 whhhooooaa. Cool it brother. regardless of your beliefs there is no need for that language. We are human beings and living in the same Country after all. We both work and both pay taxes. We might view political life differently but there is no need for that horrid and childish C word. I respect your beliefs as you should mine. Please remember i am a manager of posties, not a director. I have no decision making options other than the office i work at.

[Sangrenegra9]

@carlberg34 - Public sector workers will often fight harder for their rights because they often represent the interests of those who rely on their services.

I definitely picked on the wrong guy - my dad used to work for Post Office, and I know a number of people who worked as postmen, as well as a CWU heavy.

It's total and utter cunts in management like you who dragged Royal Mail through the mud, whored it out to the Bank of Ireland and turned it into Royal Mule.

[carlberg34]

@Sangrenegra9 No i am not confusing public and private sector. You will find a vast majority of Union protection is in the public sector. Most private businesses tend to avoid Unions because of their added cost and endless demands. As for Royal Mail, you have picked on the wrong guy, not only am i a Tory but i am a Delivery Office Manager for Royal Mail. Personally i cannot wait until they do sell it off. It is failing now BECAUSE of Union power. Bring it on.

[Sangrenegra9]

@carlberg34 - You're confusing the public sector with the private sector. Public sector workers were never supposed to be profit-making - they were there to provide a public service. Not everything can valued financially, shocking as that may sound.

Look at Royal Mail - for many people living in remote parts of the country it acts as a lifeline. What's going to happen to them once Royal Mail gets privatized and the new operators decide delivering to remote villages isn't profitable enough?