Atheism - the lack of belief in a god? Not quite... (part 4)

My 'Atheist from Birth' video that you should please ridicule as much as possible - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7iP226rEg7Y

Can't argue against logic. Or can you?

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[NeverAloneForever]

More than half a year ago I posted a comment on one of these videos speaking of the definition and literal meaning of atheism. Now I am sure that it must be a lack of a belief. Wherever the prefix "A" is it notes a lack thereof.

In summation, atheism is not supposed to say anything about oneself. It certainly doesn't have to. Neither does theism . . . much.

Non-Atheists? Hopefully you've dropped this since 2008. That is the most superfluous shit I've ever heard. They're theists.

[mungbeanman]

@NeverAloneForever

You are arguing for the meaning of the word. Knock yourself out as words can mean whatever people want them to mean. What is really important is what the entity that atheism is, and saying that it is a lack of belief in god only says what it isn't. That being said, you make a fundamental error by assuming that 'atheism' is constructed by prefixing the word theism. Not the case as the word 'atheism' appears in language before the word 'theism'.

[mungbeanman]

@NeverAloneForever

"Hopefully you've dropped this since 2008. That is the most superfluous shit I've ever heard. They're theists."

Sorry, but has set theory changed since 2008? Have rocks and babies, who are clearly not atheists i.e. non-atheists, taken up believing in god since 2008?

You come here, not with the intention of debating, but looking for a fight with this air of undeserved arrogance that you have about you. Shame that you got knocked out in round 1 then.

[NeverAloneForever]

@DonLeVisi Well, then that's not a mcguffin.

[DonLeVisi]

@NeverAloneForever Quite possibly...

[NeverAloneForever]

@DonLeVisi Hmm . . . I guess that would make 'god' a mcguffin.

[NeverAloneForever]

@DonLeVisi I understand that. I still consider a lack of a belief to be what "atheism" denotes but the definition of theism and of "ism" isn't exact either. KnownNoMore convinced me of something. Well, maybe reminded me of something. Definitions are relative.

[NeverAloneForever]

@mungbeanman Funny thing is I learned of it's origins in the video on your sidebar "Why Atheism is a belief, not a mere, not a mere lack of belief", just before you responded. I am quite the fool of irony.

[DonLeVisi]

@NeverAloneForever Yes I prefer 'Ignostic'. The word 'god' just hasn't been defined to be able to make a posititve belief on whether it exists or doesn't or even if it is an 'it'.

For me, the word 'god' is meaningless

[DonLeVisi]

@NeverAloneForever You are right. Beliefs themselves can't be proven to exist. To attempt to use set theory to prove atheism is very naive. You could only attempt it on what people claim they believe, which then raises the question of honesty.

[DonLeVisi]

@NeverAloneForever I agree.

Regarding the 'lack' meme: Mung and others seem to be under the illusion that 'lack' = NOT. I don't believe this is the case at all. 'Lack' just means insufficient. It doesn't denote Zero; it doesn't denote any amount; it just denotes an insufficiency which may be 'some' but not enough. It is absolutely ok to say atheism is a lack of belief in Gods.

[NeverAloneForever]

@mungbeanman cont. . . . I've changed my thoughts actually. I'm not sure what I am but an Ignostic I might be. I dunno. I could be called an "atheos" person.

So I know now that if theism's definition changes than so would Atheism's. So it could mean disbelieving in a god. Not a lack.

P.S. Sorry to come off as a dick. Stop it with the Non-atheism though. No antidisestablishmentarianism either.

[NeverAloneForever]

@mungbeanman Not exactly. I just find that Non-Atheist crap to be shit. I've actually done some more research on the word theist and that is where the possible error lies. That is that an "ism" isn't just a belief but a stance on one. Although, theism is defined as a belief it isn't literally. That is why I argued that atheism is a lack thereof. cont. . . .