Homosexual Bible Overview

A quick overview of the "clobber verses" used to condemn homosexuality.

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• Deuteronomy
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• Timothy

[dolefruitycup]

ok if i were suddenly verbaly atacked got sumthing simple for me to say n make em feelstupid? :o

[NoWallsMinistry]

It depends on what they attack you with. But it's never a good idea to say something just to make someone feel stupid. If you want them to actually listen to your arguments then you have to respect them. You're not always gonna get them to come fully over to your side, but if they take a step in the right direction that is a great thing!

[PaulOnHomosexuality]

Great video. Nicely done.

[clay56]

"I was asking about your source for the meaning of the word Rape in context with the verses you mentioned that contain the word."

The original KJV says "lay hold" of an UNbetrothed woman, while other translations like the NIV and the Good News Bible actually use the word "rape." Both terms indicate a degree of force. In any event the man in Deu. 22:28-29 violates the eighth commandment at the VERY least. And the woman pays the greater part of the price, by having to marry him. In... (Cont.)

[clay56]

Part 2

...Exodus 21:7 there is the TOO clear indication that the woman is LAWFULLY bethrothed to the man. It's why I think you may be confusing the UNlawful acts described Deu. 22:28-29 with this verse.

The question is wheather or not our Lord is still holding us to laws like Deu. 22:28-29 and Deu. 25:11-12. If not, then why do they not apply when Lev. 18:22 still does? How exactally did Christ "put to rest" such a delima?

[justtoexercise]

@clay56 I was asking about your source for the meaning of the word Rape in context with the verses you mentioned that contain the word. I can't understand your post nor can i find it. anyway you can send me the source I think in a PM without it being confusing. Thanks

[justtoexercise]

I was asking about your source for the meaning of the word Rape in context with the verses you mentioned that contain the word. I can't understand your post nor can i find it. anyway you can send me the source I think in a PM without it being confusing. Thanks.

[clay56]

"However isn't saying that something is okay because Jesus never said anything about it kind of putting words into his mouth?"

Perhaps, yet I myself state Christ's said nothing about homosexuality not to suggest He neccessarily believed it was acceptable but as a reminder to those who would use and abuse His teachings to even vaguely and very WRONGLY suggest that He was saying it wasn't.

[clay56]

"...Jesus's sacrifice put them to rest. however there is no way that something as important as homosexuality would be left to question."

While not outside the realm of possibility, this is a personal interpetation of His actions. His upholding certain laws as with Matt 19:18 while refuting others in 19:9 leaves laws in Lev. 18:22 as well as Deu. 22:28-29 in question. So if you believe the former verse MUST be applied, you should probably have a SOLID explanation why the latter shouldn't.

[justtoexercise]

@justtoexercise I think I left the rest of the comment unfinished. Thus because they were for this reason Jesus's sacrifice put them to rest. however there is no way that something as important as homosexuality would be left to question. The way the bible talks about it there is no question whatsoever that homosexuality is a sin.

[justtoexercise]

@clay56 What is your source I'm not going to just take your word for it.

[clay56]

Part 2

,,,To another man upon which she is betrothed to him. Deu. 25:11-12 speaks of an UNbetrothed woman who is "siezed" according to the New KJV. Certainly only our Lord can know with absolute assurance, but the passage strongly suggests the act committed by the man is against the woman's will. Christ is not recorded as having addressed this law or homosexuality in the Gospels. Thus gay Christian advocates and opponents are left to grapple and debate over which directives are still... (Cont.)

[clay56]

Part 3

... Devinely revelent and which were simply important to the culture of a past era.

[justtoexercise]

think about it,back then a man had to provide proof of wealth to the father of the bride in exchange for the daughters hand. If they had nothing to give perhasp they could carry a woman off and in that way choose a bride.

[justtoexercise]

I do find the one about rape interesting. did you know that rape has two different meanings. It could mean what we all know it means today or it could mean to forcefully carry someone away. there are ways on the internet to find out the context of words in the bible. Perhasp rape in this case means carrying someone away. Perhasp this was a way for someone who had nothing to trade for a bride to obtain a bride cnt.

[justtoexercise]

@justtoexercise When you try to explain to them that Jesus's sacrifice didn't abolish everything in the old testament. I was once told that some of the laws were put into place more for the sake of the Godliness of the tribes of Israel. You have to remember that several times in the bible they are placed in bondage,or lose their city because they fall into ungodliness. Those sort of laws were put into place to show their zealousness to God and to try and keep everyone away from sin. cnt.

[justtoexercise]

@clay56 I don't know everything this is a good question to ask a pastor of a church. My pastor recently explained this but I can't remember exactly how he put it. However isn't saying that something is okay because Jesus never said anything about it kind of putting words into his mouth? Sometimes I wish whoever wrote those odd ball laws never would have wrote them because it confuses people cnt.

[clay56]

"But your overlooking verse 18 of Matthew 5: 17-20..."

And because of this, you believe Christ was saying that ALL the Laws He didn't mention should be kept? Do you then believe you that a woman is in sin for grabbing her husband's attacker by the groin (Deu. 25:11-12) or that a virgin is in sin for refusing to marry the man who raped her as commanded in (Deu. 22:28-29)? These are but a couple of Mosaic laws Christ did not speak of that are considered morally uphorrid in today's churches.