3 Cromwell

3rd part of 11 ...This Movie is dedicated to RPK , The Father Of Democracy ,Malaysia

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[mc0558]

Like his father, Charles was a very unwise King. To come to parliament and allow himself to be bettered like this was political suicide. And when the Speaker of the House said he served Parliament rather than the Kind, Charles should have arrested him there and then.

The Stuarts had no effective power in Scotland. When they inherited Elizabeth's mantle they thought they would be rich and all powerful. It went to their heads, and they threw it all away.

[SSRusitah]

Very good observation there , thanks

[kmm5792]

I dont think this is the whole movie

[SSRusitah]

yup , i have shorten it .

[GreatGrumbledook]

I love these early modern times: Everything is undecided and in move; like here when the Parliament and the Crown raise armies against each other accusing the other party of treason and the breach of law. I fear in modern times with their machinery of standing armies and police forces something like that would be impossible unless the armed forces would split among themselves or the people are well equipped with arms like in the USA.

[MajBlood]

@mc0558 Um no. King James I was a great king. He ended a twenty year war with Spain. He vastly improved religious turmoil in England by creating the King James Bible. The empire and trade were vastly expanded under his rule. And he did a lot of get the union of England and Scotland going. Really he is the father of Great Britain. All in all he was a good king.

[elgostine]

ooh wheel lock muskets, cool, those i mightadd to everyone are a rarity indeed, the wheellock was the first firearm mechanism allowing a weapon to be loaded WELL in advance.

[spiderlime]

the greatest error in scottish history is the decision made by the scots (most famously by queen mary stuart) that they should govern england rather than scotland. a relatively poor country that spent so much precious blood in the name of expansionism. the stuarts have effectively doomed scotland as a nation state.

[12from12]

@jed371 none of which would have been possible had James not been an idiot. Anyway I am not sure whether we really disagree except on Cromwell's role. William may not have liked it but he accepted it.

[jed371]

@12from12 cromwell had to become a tyrant or the country would have fallen apart. william iii did not like the limits which were imposed on his power "William cannot take it ill if we make conditions to secure ourselves for the future" . the powers which were given to parliament in the glorius revolution, were the powers and limits parliament demanded from charles i

[12from12]

@jed371 I strongly disagree, Cromwell was a biggot and a tyrant. James II's son being born threatening a Catholic dynasty and his replacemnt William III not believing in divine right is what started the shift in power.

[jed371]

@12from12 cromwell set in motion the events which seperated the monarchy's powers. without th english civil war, england would remained an absolutist state into the 18th century

[ProtestantIRA]

Funny how at the end of the movie Cromwell does almost the exact same thing as the King. Anybody else see it as ironic?

[12from12]

@hill9868 err no, 1688 was the start in the decline of the power of the monarchy. However that power was lost bit by bit, Cromwell had nothing to do with it. Charles II who followed the republic was very much a powerful king.

[hill9868]

Before Cromwell, the British Monarchy ruled Britain. After Cromwell, they became a glorified tourist attraction.