@Blueatchley12 Clearly you should learn to think before answering. kovesp1 obviously meant the war was hypothetically won by 1943 as the Germans were by that stage on the defensive. With the exception of Wacht am Rhein (Battle of the Bulge) the Wehrmacht didn't conduct any large scale offensives after Kursk. By 1943 they had been bled white on the Eastern front and kicked out of North Africa. D-Day was the death knell but the war was already decided!
@Blueatchley12 Serves me right to try to educate a fool. Large scale wars are mostly decided years before they end. Try reading some of the military historians. I recommend Glantz, Erickson and especially Ellis. And BTW, the Germans were never able to go on the offensive again in the east after Kursk.
@kovesp1 so the war was won already russians already invaded berlin in 1943 hmmmm interesting??? i though it was 1945... dumbass when you learn some history then you come back and tell me.....
@Blueatchley12 Then, by the time the D-day landings took place, the Soviet Union had already won the war (the latest time for the decision point is Kursk, in the summer of '43, though many historians cite Stalingrad at the end of '42, or even the German failure to take Moscow in '41). The significance of the landings is that it would have taken 1-3 years longer to finish the war, so presumably several million people survived as a result.
@Blueatchley12 If you read enough books on the subject (and I've read about 50-60) that's not the picture that emerges. Lend-lease aid was very helpful but not decisive. It was at most 10% of the total resources used in the war and consisted primarily of trucks and railway stock, clothing and some food. Some weapons (tanks and aircraft) were shipped as well, but in insignificant numbers especially as the Soviet comparables were often superior (e.g., T-34 vs. Sherman).
@ThaidogFight Germany ... just 6 million Jews? My foot. And 2-3 million Soviet POWs. And around 12-14 million Soviet civilians. And 0.5-1.5 million Gypsies. And 300,000-770,000 Greek civilians. And over 2 million Polish non-jewish civilians. And on and on.
@kovesp1 i herd if the us didnt join the war russia would have lost we didnt win thats correct we sighned a peace treatty with north vietnam and we trained south korea to do the fighting and we equiped them
WWII in Europe happened to be won by the Soviets with the US as a bit player (you know as in 90% of German casualties on the Eastern Front). As to Vietnam won by the US ... that's hilarious. The US left because it lost, not the other way round.
@brownsey1 no duhh omg retards...
Blueatchley12 39 minutes ago
@Blueatchley12 Clearly you should learn to think before answering. kovesp1 obviously meant the war was hypothetically won by 1943 as the Germans were by that stage on the defensive. With the exception of Wacht am Rhein (Battle of the Bulge) the Wehrmacht didn't conduct any large scale offensives after Kursk. By 1943 they had been bled white on the Eastern front and kicked out of North Africa. D-Day was the death knell but the war was already decided!
brownsey1 3 hours ago
@kovesp1 i know that but war ended in 1943 not even try 1945
Blueatchley12 20 hours ago
@Blueatchley12 Serves me right to try to educate a fool. Large scale wars are mostly decided years before they end. Try reading some of the military historians. I recommend Glantz, Erickson and especially Ellis. And BTW, the Germans were never able to go on the offensive again in the east after Kursk.
kovesp1 20 hours ago
@kovesp1 so the war was won already russians already invaded berlin in 1943 hmmmm interesting??? i though it was 1945... dumbass when you learn some history then you come back and tell me.....
Blueatchley12 21 hours ago
@Blueatchley12 Then, by the time the D-day landings took place, the Soviet Union had already won the war (the latest time for the decision point is Kursk, in the summer of '43, though many historians cite Stalingrad at the end of '42, or even the German failure to take Moscow in '41). The significance of the landings is that it would have taken 1-3 years longer to finish the war, so presumably several million people survived as a result.
kovesp1 1 day ago
@Blueatchley12 If you read enough books on the subject (and I've read about 50-60) that's not the picture that emerges. Lend-lease aid was very helpful but not decisive. It was at most 10% of the total resources used in the war and consisted primarily of trucks and railway stock, clothing and some food. Some weapons (tanks and aircraft) were shipped as well, but in insignificant numbers especially as the Soviet comparables were often superior (e.g., T-34 vs. Sherman).
kovesp1 1 day ago
@ThaidogFight Germany ... just 6 million Jews? My foot. And 2-3 million Soviet POWs. And around 12-14 million Soviet civilians. And 0.5-1.5 million Gypsies. And 300,000-770,000 Greek civilians. And over 2 million Polish non-jewish civilians. And on and on.
kovesp1 1 day ago
@kovesp1 i herd if the us didnt join the war russia would have lost we didnt win thats correct we sighned a peace treatty with north vietnam and we trained south korea to do the fighting and we equiped them
Blueatchley12 1 day ago
WWII in Europe happened to be won by the Soviets with the US as a bit player (you know as in 90% of German casualties on the Eastern Front). As to Vietnam won by the US ... that's hilarious. The US left because it lost, not the other way round.
kovesp1 2 days ago