Wilderness Society uses tyranny

Kevin Mitchell explains the stunt the Wilderness Society used which wrongly accused him of illegal clearing of land in Australia.

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News & Politics

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• Environment
• conservation
• woody
• weeds
• Wilderness
• Society
• Nyngan
• farming

[dv8wolfie]

Who cares how high the Wilderness society plane was flying, not me, ..so by that statement you approve of illigal actions..it shows your true leanings...keep up the good work bushvision...these greeny's dont care who they step on to push their narrowminded illogical ideals...

[errinundra]

What is the big deal ? the hicks have already said they have a licence to clear the entire block, isn't that the crime. Who cares how high the Wilderness society plane was flying, not me, I think this yanky couple should shoo off back to Florida from whence they came, and leave a just a little of old Australia intact - in a nature state. Goodness me, must we protect every granddad and grandma hick and their backward thinking that sets foot down under ?

[Bushvision]

Back again - Can I refer you to four videos

Cropping that saves the soil, Leon Ashby`s farming & property rights experience parts 1 & 2 & Greens cuse environmental disaster.

They demonstrate the narrow "Green" /TWS idealogy of leaving a landscape to degrade versus the consevation minded farming view of active management to retain high levels of soil biota and grass species while keeping trees at a constant level so they don`t reduce other species. Have you seen that happen?

[Practicalpolitics]

Personally, I think you are the one in the wrong, but we may have to agree to disagree. I'd suspect such fenced off areas that were left had previously been impacted upon by farming or other harmful practices.. obviously in these cases the land would still suffer the ongoing impacts whether left or not. Grazing animals also clearly are not the only outward threat that could be effecting the health of an area. I could go on, but I'll let you get back to your job. :)

[Bushvision]

Wrong again - If you check my three videos on farming & property rights you might get to see some of the research work I organised on water spreading which got some landcare awards. Certainly unmanaged land in many areas have worse environmental outcomes than managed land. several Aust land plots that have been fenced out so no animals at all graze them degrade within 5 - 10 years & lose the number & diversity of their grasses

Ever seen that happen? - back in 5 days (job to do)- cheers

[Practicalpolitics]

While through a short sighted farmer's eyes such 'closed' areas may be seen as worthless simply because they don't make prime grazing country, many native animals rely on this habitat for survival. In terms of the threat of 'less soil biota... more erosion' see my comment above. Removing trees will accelerate and cause problems, not fix them. This is common knowledge. Have you had any experience farming yourself?

[Practicalpolitics]

Yes, I have seen these forests. In fact my family (third generation farmers) own a property which has such areas of bushland on it, covering some of the most rugged country in Australia. However, those who are against the protection of natural environmental areas (as you seem to be) often refer to national parks, etc as the 'locking up' or 'closing' of forests which is obviously what I thought you must mean. Now you have cleared up your point I can only disagree entirely with what you say.

[Bushvision]

No - a closed forest is one which has tree cover (200 - 2,000 stems/ha depending on rainfall & soil type)that prevents grasses from growing.

It can occur in parks or on farmland. A closed forest in a semi arid environment reduces biodiversity - less grasses, less soil biota, more erosion, less animals & birdlife in short it degrades naturally without human management towards and open forest (10 - 400 stems /HA depending on rainfall & soil type etc) - Sounds like you`ve never seen it before?

[Practicalpolitics]

Therefore, it's pretty obvious why TWS would have concerns with 70% of areas of natural vegetation being destroyed. Some farmers are environmentally aware, others aren't. Some are 'decent', others aren't. I still have my doubts about the validity of this video- it presents a very narrow view and there are gaping holes in the arguments presented which I've referred to in previous comments. It would be more valid if you'd at least made some attempt to present TWS point of view.

[Practicalpolitics]

I assume that you are referring to national parks and the like when you comment on 'closed' forests. In such cases it is absolutely untrue to suggest semi arid desert country 'degrades' when left in its natural state; rather it is forestry practices, like clear felling that cause such problems.. along with destroying biodiversity, habitat for native fauna, etc.