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Bankrupt governments are finding the IMF an unfit lender, but alternatives may be developing

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[Bigmartinno1]

SpartaC) But let's not forget that the welfare state from it's inception was a conservative preemptive & rearguard action against worker militancy, from Bismarck on. The reason the left tends to support it is it softens the burden of capitalism. Clever conservatives can also so it's functional role in sustaining aggregate demand & fostering human potential & social mobility.

Personally I'd rather have Socialism than welfare state capitalism......

[Bigmartinno1]

SpartaB) What's happening/happened out there in china + India is people are/have been removed from their own sources of subsistence by force & fraud much like happened in Europe over 200yrs ago to make way for capitalism. As they have no other means of subsistence they are ripe for exploitation & hence capitalist 'dynamism'.

Explain how the welfare state has failed. Show me the most robust welfare states in the world & I'll show you the countries with the lowest poverty.

[Bigmartinno1]

1)Ok, bracketing some huge big ontological issues, is this concept of time inclusive of time before humans? I think my allusion to dino bones & creationism was entirely apt as u seem a trenchant libertarian knuckledragger.

2)Hunter-gatherers were awfully collectivist. They hunted/gathered in packs, they pooled the spoils, communal childrearing........

3)Unions may yet lift 500-600m Chinese & Indians out of poverty. Oh boy are they fighting capitalism out there!

[XionXXXX]

Seems the IMF decides who gets to live and who has to die.

[ITwarriorTI]

Rothschild= Ultimate money system.

There is no capitalism, no socialism, no communism, there is the Rothschild.

Before you argue spend more than 10 minute researching and please.. don't use wikipedia, thank you.

[polyzygote]

"Socialism caused this mess, socialism will not solve it. I suggest you start reading because you have no idea what capitalism actually is."

you think that less than 1% of the population owning a vast majority of the assets on earth is socialism? it's corporatism. if socialists were in power you would have distribution of wealth, not concentration of wealth.

you lump socialism and corporatism in the same basket but they have diametrically opposed aims.

[polyzygote]

"> anarchists support freedom"

ignoring the fact that anarchism is just about as diverse as capitalism in its modes of thinking (i know you think that there is only one true capitalism, yours).

anarchism just means non-hierarchical social structure. in any society there will always have to be temperance of freedom. for example the temperance of predatory sexual behaviour. unrestrained freedom of capital, especially when it is the central organizing principle of a society is a harmful 'freedom'

[polyzygote]

"anarcho-socialism"

just another way for communists to sell their drivel

care to elaborate, or is this another sweeping statement we are meant to just believe at face value?

[polyzygote]

"Money is a tool, nothing more"

all tools have side effects, the 'neutral' tool is a myth

[Revolucionario02]

The IMF is a cancer we as humans have to eradicate it if we are going to survive as species.