Poles fighting for the Ukraine (17th century) Part 2

Depicts elements of the siege of Zbaraz by the coalition of Ukrainian Cossacks, Russians, Turks and Tatars (1649) and the battles around it.

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[Baltvilks]

Learn your history first chlopczyku,

After that will write here

[mikolajoskierko]

So i`m learning about Polish-Muscovite war 1609-1615, Khotyn and Hetman Sagajdachny. Most of Cossac uprising were becouse of TOO SMALL register, in every negotiations with Khmelnycky (he was Polish officer till age 54...) standed as a one of first points "hire more Cossacs to army". Cossacs were getting money and freedom, others were treated like peasants. Registred Cossacs had thier Hetman and tell me is it any suprise for you that the first Ataman of Zaporiżżja was Jaremas ancestor?

[PanLeshek]

Jarema Wisniowiecki ,the best commander in Crown army! Agree!

[MsOKZS]

@BratWody In his documentary "Ukraine-birth of the nation" famous JERZY HOFFMAN says that in the past Poland lost many opportunities in Polish-Ukrainian relationships,& because Poles failed to find an agreement with Ukrainians,Poland was divided 4 times, for 150 years seized to exist & in 20c.got communism.I also read comment written by a smart Pole:if in 17c. Polish nobility gave the same rights & freedoms to Ukrainians they gave to Lithuania, the fate of our 3 nations would be different today.

[MsOKZS]

@BratWody If you are a Polish patriot then look in the history & learn what happened to Poland when Poles refused to seek an agreement with Ukraine(peasants or not is secondary)

I love Ukraine & I know that every time when 2 our prideful nations arguet wins only one country– Russia. Definition of insanity: “to do the same thing & expect different results”. Unless you hate Poland completely, the last thing you should do FOR POLAND is to fight & insult Ukraine. Luckily Poland is our friend today.

[MsOKZS]

@BratWody You remind me some Russian neo nazis who claim that there was never Ukrainians. And who were Rus? Or you going to say that there were today's Russians???? The word ukraina is first recorded in Hypatian Codex of the 12 &13-century Primary Chronicle. In the 16 century, both Polish and Ukrainian sources used the word Ukraina with specific reference to the large south-eastern Kiev Voivodeship, including the voivodships of Bratslav after 1569 and Chernihiv after 1619. So grow up.

[PanLeshek]

Ukrainian chlopczyku might kick your royal ass, brother! We might need few regiments of ulan to support our claims! hahahahahaha

[BratWody]

CosSacdonks were not Ukrainian my friend dont spread nationalistic propaganda.

Cossacks= polish and rus peasents who wanted to be free people and did nto want to suffer nobelmen might.

Were they a nation that time?

I don't think so- why?

Because Prince Jarema was not Polish and first of all they had war with him for right causes in my opinion. Crowns Army got involed much later when the Prince noticed his private army was to weak.

[ziolo334]

yo're right artifaktus. cossacks just want back therir rights, it was a civil war , there were a lot of ukrainian on which fight on polish side(for example Jarema Wisniowiecki ,the best commander in Crown army) cossacks even said they don't want war with king and Commonwealth,

[artifaktus]

This is the funniest thing I have ever heard. This is why they always wanted to make the register bigger? Every non-registery Cossack was treated like a peasant, so he wanted to become the registered one. He gained gold and red cloth as payment. Remember that Chmielnicku's uprising began after the ideas of war with Turkey and a big army of Cossacks serving the Commonwealth was not raised.

[sparrowcrazy]

We hear you...but we do not understand you;p Care to translate?