Mike Lee Kanarek teaching Israeli Tactical Knife Fighting in

Recorded on October 24, 2009 using a Flip Video camcorder.

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[Boarderhopping101]

i just learned this in my haganah class last week

[CQB32]

@TenteixSaigo I have the real life experience as a gang cop for many years in So Cal. I am a police and military instructor and have put martial arts to the test in the street more times then I can count. I have instructor certs from some of the top instructors in the world. Watch videos of guys trading blows its a 50/50 chance better with training but still riskier. Most modern police and military systems are training this way now. Control (clinch) tactical striking, ground & restrain or kill

[TenteixSaigo]

@CQB32 MCMAP uses the clinch often, as well. How is it too tradition if the clinch is what you emphasize? Hell, just message me. It's easier than filling up the comments here.

[CQB32]

@TenteixSaigo I did not say ineffective just higher failure rate, and I am an Israeli CQB instructor under instructor from Lotar. They teach a lot of clinch then use strikes under control and ground if necessary to finnish. The old school Krav Maga u see here has progressed in Israel. Clinch disrupts the pattern of attack allows control then violence can be safely used. Proper training the ground helps u control, every cop put suspect on ground to restrain because gives an advantage.

[TenteixSaigo]

@CQB32 Who told you the striking range was ineffective? It's very effective. The Isrealis use the same concept of sticking to the stand up. On the ground you lose control.

[CQB32]

@TenteixSaigo The Marine version still has too much traditional martial arts I feel, rely's on technique a lot still which combat proven higher failure rate. CQC should be about the concept or principals along with simple motor skills. We train live and put things to the test. I also disagree with how Army trains in modules more grappling in begining and leading into strikes ect at higher level. Having been in numerous live combatives situations going to ground is often beyond ur control.

[CQB32]

@TenteixSaigo Well I have a military CQB program one of my instructors is a MACP instructor he uses the knife from just about every senario. They train with shock knives we were able to purchase the full military version as well. Combat proven concepts like the clinch to control are taught as opposed to fighting in the striking range which has a higher failure rate. I am not a huge fan of MACP as a whole, but they have the concept close. The marine version lots of BJJ as well.

[TenteixSaigo]

@CQB32 I confused my acronyms. MCAP and MACP. Army Combatives is certainly not so good as MCMAP, in my opinion. The ephasis is on grappling and takedowns. They ignore the odds of an opponent having a knife on the ground. I've trained with Army guys and they hate the program. I've been through MCMAP and I loved it. I'll talk to my buddies more about WHY. It's always been grappling, though. There isn't much room for ground game in a war zone.

[CQB32]

@TenteixSaigo LOL...Have u trained MACP? I have and it is truely about control IMO. Not much striking, but for good reason (the reality of combat) If you have trained MACP then maybe u r missing the point. Either way do some more research. MACP is good but has some weaknesses that the Army is currently looking to improve. Not so much grappling as establishing control then using violence. With limited time to train troops this offers somewhat effective solutions to CQB situations.

[TenteixSaigo]

@CQB32 First off, MACP is about ARCHITECTURE. Secondly, Army Combatives is all about grappling. You learn strikes at the higher levels, but not very many. I suggest you stop attempting to be psuedosmart and let the military talk be left to the military dogs. If you MEAN to say MCMAP, that's Marine Corps, not Army.