Re: Skeptic Bible Study: Dunce Disciples

Skeptic Bible Study: Dunce Disciples

JohnLArmstrong, "One miracle story begins...
1) Jesus says he's gonna perform a miracle.
2) The disciples say it cannot be done.
3) Jesus says, "O yea of little faith".
4) He does the miracle
5) and the disciples are amazed.

And at the end of that episode everything is reset to zero so we start all over again.

They should eventually get it."

What actually happens;
1) Jesus does not announce He is going to perform a miracle. He just gives commands to do something.
2) The disciples do not say it cannot be done
3) Jesus does not say "O yea of little faith" (or anything like that)
4) He does the miracle
5) The disciples are not amazed.

Mar 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed [them].



Mar 6:35 And when the day was now far spent, his disciples came unto him, and said, This is a desert place, and now the time [is] far passed:

Mar 6:36 Send them away, that they may go into the country round about, and into the villages, and buy themselves bread: for they have nothing to eat.

Mar 6:37 He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat?

Mar 6:38 He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.

Mar 6:39 And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass.

Mar 6:40 And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties.

Mar 6:41 And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave [them] to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.

Mar 6:42 And they did all eat, and were filled.

Mar 6:43 And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes.

Mar 6:44 And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men.

Mar 6:45 And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people.



Mar 8:1 In those days the multitude being very great, and having nothing to eat, Jesus called his disciples [unto him], and saith unto them,

Mar 8:2I have compassion on the multitude, because they have now been with me three days, and have nothing to eat:

Mar 8:3 And if I send them away fasting to their own houses, they will faint by the way: for divers of them came from far.

Mar 8:4 And his disciples answered him, From whence can a man satisfy these [men] with bread here in the wilderness?

Mar 8:5 And he asked them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven.

Mar 8:6 And he commanded the people to sit down on the ground: and he took the seven loaves, and gave thanks, and brake, and gave to his disciples to set before [them]; and they did set [them] before the people.

Mar 8:7 And they had a few small fishes: and he blessed, and commanded to set them also before [them].

Mar 8:8 So they did eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken [meat] that was left seven baskets.

Mar 8:9 And they that had eaten were about four thousand: and he sent them away.

Mar 8:10 And straightway he entered into a ship with his disciples, and came into the parts of Dalmanutha.

Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

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[aarongohn]

this video sucks. umm k.

[JordanKimball]

haha. this guy thinks its a straw man argument. You are lying to yourself if you believe the crap this guy is spewing. Maybe you should watch deistpaladin's video again.

[dhasenan]

If you put Mark 6:5 in context: Jesus went to his home town. *There* he wasn't able to do any significant miracles. That was an aberration.

I'm also curious that you chose Mark's accounts; Mark is the tersest of the gospels. John has an account of this in which the disciples (specifically Andrew) expresses significant doubt.

[gangboy4ever86]

The go to ''heaven'' and leave the human race with your idiotic arguments old guy

[FalleJr]

I love your definition of a straw man. "You build up this elaborate thing that has nothing to do with reality, then you tear it down" But you failed to mention that the christians themselves built up this elaborate thing that has nothing to do with reality. You guys even wrote a book about it, the bible. We athiests just tear it down.

Peace!

[highwind8124]

Actually, it isn't a question merely designed to get a response. It does express doubt. This shown in the word "But...", as if to say: "But Jesus, we can't because..." and by the words "in this remote place" emphasizing the obstacle stopping them.

If the disciples asked the question in the way you assume they did, simply wanting to know how, they would say: "How would you like us to do this? Same as last time?"

[highwind8124]

The opposite is true when police interrogate suspects and lawyers put witnesses on the stand.  Major variations in story indicate at least one liar. Lawyers frequently manage to expose lying witnesses by asking them the details of what happened and finding contradictory testimony.

[Intrepidman]

First, I'll, prove that your response is nothing less than an Ad Hominem attack,

"Well, I guess this is pointless. Anyone can sit there and try to twist words to say what they want them to say. You won't find a single person who will accept your interpretation of this passage EXCEPT a person who has an ulterior motive, like you, to prove that Jesus NEVER existed."

Second, I do not allow Ad Hominem attacks on my page. If you have something useful to say, please do.

[devikkyrn]

Well, I guess this is pointless. Anyone can sit there and try to twist words to say what they want them to say. You won't find a single person who will accept your interpretation of this passage EXCEPT a person who has an ulterior motive, like you, to prove that Jesus existed.

[Intrepidman]

Exactly.