Thinking about Creation: The Origin of Information Systems

This video tells why all information systems have intelligent agents as their origin, and why genomes qualify as information systems.

I forgot to put in the reference list at the end, so here are my references:

Abel and Trevors, Journal of BioSemiotics -- "More than a Metaphor: Genomes are Objective Sign Systems"

Gitt, W. In the Beginning was Information (condensed form here)

Shannon, C. The Bell System Technical Journal -- "A Mathematical Theory of Communication"

Trevors and Abel, Cell Biology International -- "Chance and Necessity Do Not Explain the Origin of Life"

Yockey, H.P. Computers and Chemistry -- "Origin of Life on Earth and Shannon's Theory of Communication"

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Tags:

• intelligent
• design
• creationism
• information
• systems
• agents
• ID
• biology
• genome
• evolution

[Kailoa36]

The Polynesian languages were entirely oral and did not have an alphabets until the post European contact period. Therefore, information systems do not require an alphabet. This is just one or many problems with this video.

[baraminology]

The lack of a written alphabet does not mean that it did not have one. A dictionary can be considered a very large alphabet, and so can phonemes. The main requirements of an alphabet are as stated in the video -- that it has a finite size and that the sequence is based on formal rather than physical rules.

[maplebayou1]

@azfarmb First of all, you did not say his ideas were dumb. You said, "This guy is dumb.' Second, I did not make any comment about "supporting dumb ideas." Third, I find it remarkable that you talk of what is "acceptable." What productive purpose do you hope to accomplish by ad hominem attacks? I did not, nor do I propose to debate the guy. I merely suggested that you refrain from calling him names. Sorry if that is "unacceptable."

[azfarmb]

@maplebayou1 the world is flat... lets debate that idea. Some things are just dumb, and your comment about supporting dumb ideas is one of those dumb ideas. Questioning an intelligent idea with another intelligent idea is acceptable, but some ideas are so stupid that the person bringing them up lacks clear knowledge. The earth is not flat, and what this guy is proposing is just dumb.

I think you get the point.

[maplebayou1]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You need to look at your assumptions more closely and tease apart some of the concepts you are unintentionally melding. An "information system" is not necessarily a communication system. Because abstractions exist in some sense does not mean that there needs to be anything understanding them. Great complexity can arise from simple systems following very simple rules. Good luck in your pursuits.

[maplebayou1]

@azfarmb Because someone has a half-baked theory does not mean they are dumb. When Niels Bohr pointed out to Einstein that his own theory of relativity contradicted one of his attacks on quantum mechanics, that did not make Einstein suddenly dumb. Calling people dumb is no way to point them in a productive direction.

[gerontodon]

video stopped at 53 seconds.

[jeffparr123]

I can deduce information about a star 1000's of light years away (must be <6000 Ly away sorry about that;-). chemical composition, its relative motion, wether it may have a conpanion, and much else mearly from the radiation I recieve from it.

That information is encoded in the photons, by this guy augument I have discovered ET. Must e-mail SETI.

Do any of these creationist ever properly study a subject before they disseminate ther opinions on it. Like understanding what information is.

[FiverBeyond]

Hmmmm... not really.

In the first place, the definition of 'information system' is so rooted in humanities that many aspects of it are arbitrary. For example: all known non-living information systems were created by humans. Therefore, we can conclude that the genome was also created by humans, right?

And it should be noted that the physical organism created by the DNA system aren't semantics. What is the meaning of a finger?

[NephilimFree]

Well done!

[jhbbunch]

How does a 3 legged rabbit and a 4 legged fox need an 'intelligent agent' to decide what the outcome of the race is going to be?

I have asked this question for years: What is the criteria for something's existence to be proof of a God and it's non-existence to be proof of no God? It's never been answered. It always comes back 'if A then God, and if not A, why then God also." That is, there is no criteria. Coherent laws of nature prove God, the lack of them (miracles) prove God also. Useless.

[stussy535]

What a beautiful floral arrangement this genius is wearing on his head.