Furthermore, what do unborn fetuses have to do with God's anger towards the ancient Amalekites? Why do children need to suffer for the sins of their parents (let alone the sins of their ancient ancestors? Why did God command that everyone must die? Everything! Now read Ezekiel 18:19-20. God said he would not punish the son for the sins of the father. Why did he so in 1st Sam. 15:3? Contradiction?
@salmonmachine Thank you for replying, salmonmachine. You wrote: "God ordained that the Amalekites be totally wiped away for purposefully interfering God's plan for Israel coming out of Egypt." The problem I have with your response here, one I here quite often, is that it implies that God enacted his "revenge" nearly 500 years after the fact--i.e., the people who He commanded to be killed were not the people who spurned Israel.
@NormanGrubb and Saul in turn tried to interfere with that process. So the question may remain, why did God allow Saul to disobey Him? We find the answer to that in the end of chapter 15 when Samuel no longer visits Saul and the wisdom of God is no longer given to Saul. Of course, in the long term we see that this is further revealed by the continuation of God's plan for Israel through David. I hope this has shed some light on the proper context of the verse you quoted.
@NormanGrubb I do believe you might be mistaken brother. I know this passage in Samuel fits your point, but in the context of the entirety of the story in chapter 15, it proves Piper's point. God ordained that the Amalekites be totally wiped away for purposefully interfering God's plan for Israel coming out of Egypt. This particular story in Samuel shouldn't be highlighted by verse 3 but instead perhaps by verses 10-11. God told Saul to do something for His glory...
Yes, God receives glory in both our praise or destruction! But in saying that I don't mean God wants to destroy us, no, we have a free will. That's what hell and heaven is for: God's glory.
I never like questions like this because they seem to presuppose that it is God's job to make our lives happy and enjoyable. We ask the question without ever defining what "good" is. The only thing we really know that is good is God.
John Piper is in it for the money. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
NormanGrubb 3 months ago
Fuck This SHIT
NormanGrubb 3 months ago
Furthermore, what do unborn fetuses have to do with God's anger towards the ancient Amalekites? Why do children need to suffer for the sins of their parents (let alone the sins of their ancient ancestors? Why did God command that everyone must die? Everything! Now read Ezekiel 18:19-20. God said he would not punish the son for the sins of the father. Why did he so in 1st Sam. 15:3? Contradiction?
NormanGrubb 5 months ago
@salmonmachine Thank you for replying, salmonmachine. You wrote: "God ordained that the Amalekites be totally wiped away for purposefully interfering God's plan for Israel coming out of Egypt." The problem I have with your response here, one I here quite often, is that it implies that God enacted his "revenge" nearly 500 years after the fact--i.e., the people who He commanded to be killed were not the people who spurned Israel.
NormanGrubb 5 months ago
@NormanGrubb and Saul in turn tried to interfere with that process. So the question may remain, why did God allow Saul to disobey Him? We find the answer to that in the end of chapter 15 when Samuel no longer visits Saul and the wisdom of God is no longer given to Saul. Of course, in the long term we see that this is further revealed by the continuation of God's plan for Israel through David. I hope this has shed some light on the proper context of the verse you quoted.
salmonmachine 5 months ago
@NormanGrubb I do believe you might be mistaken brother. I know this passage in Samuel fits your point, but in the context of the entirety of the story in chapter 15, it proves Piper's point. God ordained that the Amalekites be totally wiped away for purposefully interfering God's plan for Israel coming out of Egypt. This particular story in Samuel shouldn't be highlighted by verse 3 but instead perhaps by verses 10-11. God told Saul to do something for His glory...
salmonmachine 5 months ago
Poor attempt Mr. Piper
1st Sam. 15:3
NormanGrubb 6 months ago
Yes, God receives glory in both our praise or destruction! But in saying that I don't mean God wants to destroy us, no, we have a free will. That's what hell and heaven is for: God's glory.
T2Todd2 1 year ago
All about God getting his Glory :-)
illbehonest 3 years ago 2
I never like questions like this because they seem to presuppose that it is God's job to make our lives happy and enjoyable. We ask the question without ever defining what "good" is. The only thing we really know that is good is God.
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