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awesome videos.
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@AnimalFriendSpain you should visit there. a nice small town in bosphorus.
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My grandpa is boring in rum kavag....the name is giannis apostologlou...cerseris...milo
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@norelojon I agree, the US certainly doesn't have any moral high ground. I think Turkey should recognize the whole truth behind the Armenians for example. But if it does, then let the US acknowledge openly what it did to the Indians, as Australia's prime minister did. Let Norway acknowledge the forced sterilization of the Sami; let everyone acknowledge their abuses and ethnic cleansing and decide to put it firmly into the past.
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@norelojon One could also argue that the modern republic's assimilation policies did little to solve their problems; rather, they exacerbated them. It certainly hasn't made the Kurds go away. Good education would have done a lot more to unify people. These assimilation politics were misguided attempts based heavily on German notions of stability by ethnic purity; it's cost Turkey dearly and the only thing that has helped is as you say, acknowledging all the peoples living here.
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@norelojon Well...that's a bit revisionist. :) It had a lot more to do with corruption, opposition from the Ulema to progress in many areas, new trade routes in the world and the Empire's inability to compete in world markets. The British Empire was huge competition. Corruption in the military was especially a big problem, and the fact that they couldn't do devşirme any more after the abolition of the Janissaries was another drain.
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@sazji And yes I agree with you wholeheartedly. We lost from many aspects, these multi-ethnic lands were replaced with boring, single religion, but I think we still have a chance. Even religion itself does not make that much difference. The importance is keeping the culture, than you evolve your religion as well. Just like Alevis. Even though many are Muslim now, but they practice it according to their culture in Anatolia. Their world-view isn't changed much, and that's give me the hope.
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@sazji And yes it was the fashion of those times, everything was different. Australians have lost generation problem, they have done worse things. In US we have seen different kind of problems but they are rooted in the same reality. The importance is to acknowledging and reversing our mistakes now. We are the same people at the end of the day, even greeks in greece and turks in turkey are the same people, only cultural difference is religion.
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@sazji Yes, that's true, but Ottomans collapsed mainly from the same problems, being a multi-national empire was a big disadvantage when nationalist movement started in Europe. So, if he would create a another model like Ottomans pursued, it wouldn't make a difference. So, assimilation was needed a bit, like how cultures are assimilated in the US, but now the conjuncture is much different, we can make a difference now by acknowledging every language, culture, ethnicity living in this land.
İstanbul is such amazing city
alonesmaug 2 years ago 18
thanks for the preparation...good job...wwooww
speedypuffy 4 years ago 8