Joel Salatin vs. Sepp Holzer

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This is me at the Missoula public library answering questions after we watched a Sepp Holzer movie.

I'm trying to describe the general philosophies of Joel Salatin vs. the general philosophies of Sepp Holzer.

Relevant threads at permies:

http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums/3636_2/critter-care/joel-salatin
http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums/6250_0/farm-income/joel-salatin-ch...

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Science & Technology

Tags:

• missoula
• sepp holzer
• joel salatin
• eco
• green
• permaculture
• organic
• sustainability

[HotSauceJohnny]

Paul, could you direct us to your article about Joel Salatin? I'd love to read it. I know only a little bit about permaculture, and very little about Sepp Holzer (sorry). But from what I do know, I'm not sure that I would refer to Salatin as a permaculturist. I see him as more of a farmer/businessman that has a good philosophy on ethical, local food supply production.

[paulwheaton12]

@HotSauceJohnny the tube does not allow me to put links here, but I do have links in the description

[theShice]

@tmgibs34 I think you can't compare them very well. They have astounding similarities (Sepp said "everything I wanna try is illegal" aswell - in German in a TV documentary, for example :D), but in the end of the day they are way different in what they actually do. For example, Sepp doesn't earn his money farming, and - as far as I know - has never produced anything for the market on the scale Joel does.

I'd say it's great we have them both around, though. Both awesome pioneers.

[daffodyllady]

It depends on what we call "civilization." If by "civilization" you mean ALL people in industrialized nations, then no, we cannot save them all. Personally, I do not think all of us are civilized. Some of the most civilized people I have known are small farmers. Yes, the most civilized portions of humanity can be saved, because they will be able to save themselves. I do not mean that other humans do not deserve to be saved, but simply that humanity itself will survive, and it will be civil.

[tiroler537]

@ninyae trying to save the civilization the way it is ,would be a wasted effort ,they dont want and dont see the need to be saved.The only obligation we have is to ourselves our loved ones and show a better way to do things to others ,mostly we will be ridiculed and belittled .You can lead a horse to the water but you cant make him drink.

[ninyae]

@tiroler537 Just in relation to your comment, there is a good video on the tube called why permaculture will not save civilisation that is a lot more positive than it sounds and I tend to agree and I also think, should we be concerning ourselves with saving civilisation?

[My10Acres]

I know you don't agree with Salatin's chicken method, but is that just because it isn't for you? I know I don't want to move chickens everyday, but if that is your full time job that is a different story. I listened to your podcast on chickens and I agree with statement that it is too much work. But that is just for me, a person that has a full time job and wants a part-time chicken job with as little work as is practical.

[tribalwind]

Joel salatin was our keynote speaker at Long island Small Farm Summit on april 15th..he's a good speaker,like his personality.funny as all hell...

wasnt much interested in his lectures as it's still a livestock / slaughter farm operation and i'm going the veganic farming route...

have to agree, sepp he ain't ,not even permaculture persay.

[EKWisner]

I liked your comments but couldn't hear the original question very well... maybe typing it into the description or something would help, if it's worth knowing?

Love your style, anyway.

[aballiett]

Joel recognizes that farrowing pigs is a skill that takes more attention than he can spare the time for on his farm. For that reason it makes sense for him to buy in pigs from his neighbors. I delivered him a couple of dozen Tamworth piglets last spring. He buys from neighbors who raise their piglets like he'd raise them if he had the time. Joel likes to raise his hogs in the woods now. that means that they get a lot of mast, worms/grubs and microbes. Supplemental feed is from local sources.