Pat Martino - Dbm Lines Over A7#5/A chord

Here's Pat's examples how D-flat minor sounds over A7#5/A chord.

A clip from Pat's tutorial video :
'Pat Martino - Quantum Quitar Advanced Consepts'

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[jacobe888]

Good discussion you guys are having here upon this issue imo. By the way, have you noticed that at 0:16 sec Pat lands on F which is MAJOR 3RD of Dd.

I'm soon gonna post a video reply to this my own video post in which one plays G, Bb, C ,Eb & F dorian and melodic minor scales over A7#5 chords.. (which resolves to Dm9)

[tomr79]

@jtpublsh Actually, anytime you're faced with a #5 chord (augmented 5th), the best scale to use is a whole tone scale, which uses tones from both the major and natural minor scale. Since the tones are all a whole step apart from each other, you can use any note as the root of the scale. One more thing: F#-minor is the relative minor to A-major, not D#. The relative minor is a minor third interval down from the major; C=Amin, G=Emin, E=C#min, etc.

[tomr79]

@jtpublsh You're clearly more knowledgeable about theory than I assumed so sorry if my response was too elementary. Anyway, D-flat is enharmonically C#, the third note in an A major scale so C# minor 7 (C#-E-G#-B) has many of the same notes as A7 scale; the C# natural minor scale would work (not the melodic minor) But you have a point about the #5 (F) of the A7 #5 chord, as it would clash against the E in the C# minor scale. I'm guessing Pat uses it as a chromatic.

[jtpublsh]

@jtpublsh oops strike that I was thinking of a flat 5 not a sharp 5 so the added note would be F creating like an A harmonic minor sound to me he sounds like he looks at things from a dorian minor 7 anchor point causing him to incorporate all the minor sounds by just the use of flats and sharps he chooses? anyway seems like too much thinking for me I would rather just see the key surrounding the chord and melody movement then just play the relationships that sound good to me based on that key

[jtpublsh]

@tomr79 I understand that and if you play D to D its dorian and if you play E to E its phrigian etc... A7 is from the key of D and using your example to explain what minor key to play in you would be playing in the key of D# which I dont see how that works I could see playing in E melodic minor because of the #5 but to me he always sounds like he mixing Dorian with melodic minor and using chromatic connecting lines the reason I asked the question was because A7 #5 is not a chord from Db minor

[tomr79]

D-flat is the same note as C-sharp. so D-flat minor is the same scale as C-sharp minor. C-sharp minor is the relative minor of E major, i.e. it uses the same notes except the scale starts on C-sharp (D-flat). If you play any major scale, the sixth note of the scale is ALWAYS where the minor starts.

For example, C to c on the white keys of a piano is a C-maj scale. If you play A to a on the white keys, it's A-min. Both use the same notes, they just start on a different note.

[jtpublsh]

when you say d flat minor which minor? aolean, phrigian, dorian, harmonic, melodic or all the above? with all the chromatic lines it is hard for me to tell what you mean when you say d flat minor. Because I relate everything to the major modes for point of reference I probably look at things a little different then most but it helps me organize my neck

[SMileyinusa]

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