'Property is theft' stolen concept fallacy

Thanks to MOONDOGGIESWTF for drawing my attention to this. ( http://www.youtube.com/user/MOONDOGGIESWTF )

Nathaniel Branden quote excerpted from:
http://www.nathanielbranden.com/catalog/articles_essays/the_stolen_concept.html

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Category:

Education

Tags:

• property
• theft
• stolen concept fallacy
• homesteading
• might makes right

[ElDukerino1]

"If no property is rightfully owned, that is if nothing is property". This is the heart of your (or N.B.'s) fallacy.

1st, the concept of ownership, and the term for this concept, "property", is imposed on something (let's say rain falling from the sky) by someone who wants to control this something.

So, the term property is synonomous with "rain falling from the sky".

So, it's not a stolen concept if someone claims that control of rain falling from the sky is theft and/or agression, is it?

[ElDukerino1]

If u want to understand the real claim when someone who's serious says "property is theft" or "property is agression", you (or they) have to distinguish between types of so-called property (e.g. "possessed resources" vs. "non-possessed").

So, if everyone has equal claim to something (e.g. water falling from the sky), then it's theft and/or agression if one person treats it as if it is 'their property'.

Conflating types of property or inserting the word "all" in front of it is a vulgar move.

[mikemat3307]

If I understand Proudhon correctly, "private property" refers only to state granted privilege of property title.

[AtheistRightWing]

What if the statement only refers to private property? And what if all things belong to the whole of humanity? This idea is at the root of all leftist ideologies, anarchism and libertarian socialism included. So this clearely coherent and logical argument doesn't really go to the root of the issue.

[Hasshasser]

The first man who,having fenced in a piece of land,said "This is mine,"& found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the founder of civil society.From how many crimes,wars &murders,from how many horrors & misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind... Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody." Jean-Jacques Rousseau

[bitbutter]

@anarksee B: "If you disagree can you spell out how?"

A: "I don't play word games."

So explaining yourself is 'word games', and you don't play 'word games'. I'm not sure why you're even commenting here.

[anarksee]

@bitbutter Yes for the final question;There you go again!for the first question.I don't play word games.

[bitbutter]

@anarksee "You're perpetrating semantical legerdemain!"

No i'm not. If you disagree can you spell out how?

"I recommend you look study the history of the word "argument""

Why? (did you misread agreement for argument?).

[anarksee]

@bitbutter You're perpetrating semantical legerdemain!I don't play word games;I recommend you look study the history of the word "argument" (etymology,anybody?)

[bitbutter]

@anarksee "If I "agree" to "steal" "your" chair,"

An agreement needs more than one person. Private property is an agreement shared by many people: almost everyone believes that they have the exclusive right to dictate the terms of use of their body, provided that that use doesn't interfere with another persons property rights.