Jesus Divine Judge or God's Human Judgement Agent?

Some may say timao is used of creatures. This is true but when it is used in reference to God it is divine honor which is due to Him alone. This is the context in John 5:23 which Christ also receives. Further proof of this can be seen in Proverbs 3:9 LXX, Isaiah 29:13 LXX and Matthew 15:8. Along with Philo, Josephus also used the word in the same way - the exclusive honor due to God alone:

"...but as they are subservient to Him that commands them, to whom alone we ought justly to offer our honor (τιμὴν/timèn) and thanksgiving." (AJ, 1.156)

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[jtyoung18]

The isrealites will rise out of captivity when the messiah returns and the rest of the nations shall serve them.

Isaiah 14:2

"Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors"

[KeithTruth]

@jtyoung18 Isaiah 14:2 isn't saying when the Messiah returns the Israelite's will rise out of captivity and nations shall serve them. That is talking about something that already happened long ago - when the Israelite's were taken to ancient Babylon. Then they returned to their own land they bought many Babylonian people as slaves. Also during the time of Maccabees they conquered many and made them slaves - those who oppressed them.

[jtyoung18]

I'm not muslim or anything like that. My belief is the the Israelites are people of color and the people in isreal today are imposters and the messiah came to save them (the isrealites) the descendants of abraham, issac, and jacob. Matthew 15:24 “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

[KeithTruth]

@jtyoung18 Yes that is a cult. Responsible scholarship has refuted black the Hebrew Israelite movements. On Matt. 15:24: " as a priest, or as a Saviour and Redeemer, he was sent to make satisfaction and atonement for the sins of all God's elect, and to obtain eternal redemption and salvation for all of them, whether Jews or Gentiles; but as a prophet, in the discharge of his own personal ministry, he was sent...only to the Jews; he was the "minister of the circumcision" -John Gill

[jtyoung18]

daniel 7:13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence." so the messiah was brought to the most high but yet you think they're the same person, and also how can the devil tempt god If the messiah is god?

[KeithTruth]

@jtyoung18 No the heresy of modalism says they are the same person. Trinitarian historic Christianity says God exists as 3 eternally distinct persons. Notice (1) you didn't pick up on this Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven - something only God does in the Torah and prophets. And (2) you didn't cite v. 14 right after where Jesus is worshiped (pelach) by all people - he exclusive worship due to God alone in the OT. No creature can ever receive pelach. Why did you skip that?

[SuperDonster]

Peace and blessings Brother Keith. I just want to thank you for all the wisdom you've shared and I thank our Lord and Savior for using you as a vessel to help strengthen the body of Christ.

Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. Eph6:23-24

[jtyoung18]

@KeithTruth so your sayin the tribe of judah arent people of color?

[KeithTruth]

@jtyoung18 If you look at the context Jesus very quickly rejected satans tricks and offers. Therefore, although satan attempted to tempt Christ (which you could call tempting), there was no real time when Christ stumbled or considered falling for satan's attempted tricks. My question to you: do you support Mutah? What about Muhammad's pedophilia? What about Taqiyya (deception/lying)? What about murdering apostates? What about fighting the people of the book until they pay jizya?

[barthelmy]

Somethings are just not for us to know because He has not given us the wisdom to know. But seek ye His kingdom and all shall be added...Hebrews gives a distinct difference in how His diety is stated. "Therefore God, your God..." God is a jealous God and doesnt share His glory with anyone. Furthermore, having an understanding of His Word is given as a gift each day we abide in Him and He gives us what we need for each day. Faith is the only action that pleases Him. So yes, Jesus is God.