Question for Pyrrho: The Rashomon Effect

I'm curious what your thoughts are about "The Rashomon Effect" and how it relates to the whole Objectivity/Subjectivity discussion.

The Rashomon Effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect

Rashomon:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042876/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_%28film%29

Correction:
After reading up a little on the movie, there were actually more than three witnesses. Sorry for getting that wrong.

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[mikezephyr]

hey nice video javier, insofar as we rely an absurdly inadequate ego to filter in objective reality we will have inadequate accounts of it, and not all are equally valid or maybe to be respected but why do you say that you have to beleive in objective reality?

[CousinoMacul]

"but why do you say that you have to beleive in objective reality?"

Because the evidence shows that things existed long before we (or any minds) were here. Hence there couldn't have been subjective reality before minds (unless you start defining subjective reality as being from the perspective of quantum entities--but that's another can of worms) and so some objective reality must exist (I think).

[ClementineYT]

You can watch Rashomon on YouTube!

[strav12]

Another e.g. of where a useful tool for mankind can get turned into fascist social control to support institutional status quo - but thankfully there are enough outside the psy-profession systems to make a difference. Frank Zappa thought 'The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution'...

[CityzenJane]

among other things...

[strav12]

Yeah - when philosophy is used to create certainties you getta lotta horse manure - but you can also use philosophy to connect with uncertainties, the unknowable, and from this an acceptance and embracing of difference(s)...? Psychology is meant to figure the roots of aggression - ho hum!

[CityzenJane]

It sounds strange - but I think I am allergic to philosophy as an approach to knowledge...

Does the difference matter? I'd say our worldview matters to the extent that we act on it. There are plenty of people acting on what they cannot prove - who have a direct impact on my physical prospects...perhaps I say this living in NYC - an explicit target.

[strav12]

Javier - I just love the way you frame and see these very human questions! I do notice that you have a, um, propensity for remoteness and distance - so in your response above, what about an present god who is 100% present ie it contains and is the entire perceived univers - does that make any difference to anything? We seem to exist between a metaphysical transcendence and presence - Spinoza used this for the idea of immanence, a way of connecting to both.

[strav12]

Don't know what your background is, but you may find exploring phenomenology useful. It deals with the problem of knowledge with a very different frame to the assumptions of science...

[CousinoMacul]

Ah yes, the age old solopsistic question: What is the difference between an unobserved (ie - doesn't interact with anything else) particle/phenomenon and one that doesn't exist? Or what is the difference between a 100% transcendent god and one that doesn't exist? Does the difference matter?

[CityzenJane]

I am very torn on this. Of course I can't know what is outside of my ken, yet we keep finding tools that allow us to observe beyond our immediate means and senses. I can't say what we will find. That said I can say nothing with authority of what I cannot prove. It's fun to ponder though.

[strav12]

I agree with the relativity side of what you say but can't buy 'there is NO reality outside of those observers' - it's like telling an electron that a proton or a neutron don't exist and holistic they don't make a molecule. There are other realities - what we do with them is another thing... :) Proof is of course a dubious concept!