Police Dispatch Recording Open Carry Stop

Dispatch communications with Livermore Police Department officers responding to an open carrier at Panama Red Coffee Company.

Livermore Police Department Public Safety Dispatcher Bryan Whitney sends out a "man with a gun" call to officers even though fellow dispatcher Melinda Salas had determined that the reporting party was calling about an open carrier.

Officer Greg Fuller (204) was the primary unit dispatched to the scene, along with Sgt. Brian Martinez (S-41). Officer Gary Custodia (101) was in the area and responded to the scene and took up a position behind a building with an M-4 at the ready. Officer Christopher Thompson (205) stayed mobile in the area.

The individual who was openly bearing arms was found to be in compliance with the law.

This audio recording was obtained through a California Public Records Act Request.

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[Valyn66]

@mike3641385 You're trying to jump in on a 2 month old debate. Read the whole thing and THEN come back if you still have questions.

Because you completely missed the point. I'm using assault weapons as an example of the need for tighter controls at point-of-sale for guns. Namely a registration database maintained by each state and controls on private gun sales (requiring FFL, for example).

Under the current system the bad guys have as easy a time getting armed as the good.

[mike3641385]

@Valyn66 A firearm is something that shoots a fairly small projectile(often lead/copper/steel) at a high velocity. A bazooka is an explosive device designed for military use to deal with armored vehicles. Apples and oranges. An 'assault' rifle is a repeating rifle, correct? So does that make a lever action an assault rifle? Define assault rifle. Be specific.

[mike3641385]

@Valyn66 Define assault weapon. A firearm is a tool designed to shoot bullets. Intent is with the person, not the gun. On top of that, shooting can be a fun sport, it can be used to hunt, it can be shot competitively, self defense, or as a financial investment(gun values tend to rise as the gun ages due to production runs ending). I own about 6 firearms, I've competed with 2 of them, I've hunted with 3 of them. The last one is a family heirloom. Guns aren't just about killing.

[Valyn66]

@Snipe4261 I would invite you to actually look up "Spree shootings in the United States" and just observe how many of the incidents involving 8 or more people killed involve the use of assault rifles and high capacity magazines.

Compare the total deaths to deaths attributable to terrorist actions in the context of our national response to it: we're spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to mitigate a threat statistically less severe than the rifles we're able to buy.

[Valyn66]

@Snipe4261 When it comes to technology that directly endangers the lives of the people around you by it's general availability, if nothing else, would seem to place the onus on the people wanting to acquire those weapons. As I've said, there's no right guaranteeing access to assault weapons and I think you'll be hard-pressed to use the 2nd Amendment in light of other illegal weapons.

So, how about it? Aside from the absurdly unlikely scenario of self-defense, what's it for?

[Valyn66]

@Snipe4261 AR is just a convenient example and I bring up Port Arthur and Columbine because they're indicative of the potential for mass-murder.

Furthermore I object to the contention that I'm advocating taking anyone's "rights" away. Show me where it says in the 2nd Amendment that the right to bear high-capacity assault rifles shall not be infringed? For that matter, where does it say that the right to bear a bazooka SHALL be infringed? We aren't talking about rights but specific firearms.

[Snipe4261]

@Valyn66 The simple fact of the matter is that you're advocating taking peoples rights away and therefore the onus is on you to objectively prove that the benefits of people having this right do not outweigh the hazards. Your best argument is that spree shooters favor efficient firearms. You've used two examples of spree shootings that are not relevant because they didn't occur in the US and one that did but didn't involve an AR type rifle. Its just not convincing.

[Valyn66]

@Snipe4261 As for the third part of your argument, I think a registration program that A) Unequivocally establishes the criminal history of the purchaser, B) Firmly establishes the mental soundness of the purchaser and C) imposes safeguards to prevent the illegal transfer or sale of the purchased firearm to non-vetted individuals (see gun shows).

These are just some ideas and seem like a small price to pay to mitigate mass shootings. They may be rare but they've killed more people than Al Qaeda

[Valyn66]

@Snipe4261 You just proved my point talking about the m-4's. The police are required by their own policies to use discretion in the application of force. And their frequent mistakes which result in the wounding or killing of innocent bystanders is, if anything, a rather strong argument in favor of taking similar weapons out of the hands of the people who, statistically speaking, will NEVER need them.

Mass shootings may be rare, but the things you're talking about are even rarer.

[Valyn66]

@Snipe4261 That's a seriously skewed argument. The police are FAR more likely to encounter a threat of such severity that long rifles would INDEED be necessary for their defense. This ranges from shootouts involving a suspect in a vehicle (certainly a common enough occurrence), stand-offs at long distances, and serious crime interventions (like the body armored bank robbers).

Your average American citizens is statistically never going to fire a gun in anger in their entire life.