Real Crime: Justice For Julie Part 4

Ann Ming's campaign to change the ancient double jeopardy law : by which nobody can be tried twice for the same crime : following the acquittal of a Stockton man who later admitted murdering her daughter Julie Hogg. Interviews with key figures in the case reveal the outrage felt at the outcome

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[doriangz]

For those who don't know how this ended up, the law WAS changed, Billy Dunlop plead guilty and was sentenced to life.

[annaesse]

@doriangz Yes, in October 2006, he was sentenced to Life with a minimum tariff of 17 years. Ann Ming is a wonderful mother, who should never have had to go through all that, but she kept going for her daughter. God bless you Ann.

[TheVilllageIdiot]

Can someone please explain why the prison sentences are so lenient in the UK? This is not related to this case and its latest update but how can a person who murdered someone actually get released at any point? He/she could kill someone else again and with Billy, he will definitely kill again if released. What is the fine line with a lifetime sentence for murder and someone who kills someone intentionally and gets released? Or am I mistaken? have any proven murderers been released before?

[H2IXI]

Her son seems such a lovely young man, I can't imagine how any of them feel.

I always feel so sad watching these documentaries, I wonder how people can bring themselves to do such things. :(

[LonerlovezL]

@slate20 Absolutely right. Who knows how many innocent people we (as Americans) have allowed to be killed. The innocence project has set many supposed offenders free through DNA evidence and it is certain we've killed innocent people. I say the life of an innocent person is more valuable than the gratification of revenge.

[slate20]

@silver760 Not at all. Just look at America's crime rates and you will see that capital punishment does not deter criminals. Criminals will behave in the same way regardless and as for "let's bring it back anyway" Watch 'The 30 year secret" and see how Stefan Kiszko spent 16 years in prison for a murder he did not commit- imagine living with yourself had he been killed for a murder he didn't commit. This is why capital will not and as much as some deserve it, should not come back to Britain.

[silver760]

@dirtybunny987 You'd be very surprised of the amount of assistance prisoners receive when they are released.In most countries they are housed,found a job and much more besides.The point I am making is that corporal punishment is a far better deterrent than merely locking someone up in a prison that has heat,light,beds,entertainment,­regular meals etc,that's not a punishment.It is no surprise that it had no deterrent value.Some repeat offenders see it as an all expenses paid holiday

[dirtybunny987]

@silver760 I dont what your point is.

I dont know what you're trying to suggest.

Loosing 5 years in prison can sometimes result in loosing the rest of your life too.

I mean what are you gonna do when you get out of a 5 year sentence? You have no job, no education a bad background you practically loose your life too. Sometimes they end up just as bad as the victim if not worse What more do you want?

[silver760]

@dirtybunny987 What you concern yourself with and fear so much can be replacedif you wanted,or had to.If you killed someone they wouldn't be able to do anything ever again.Losing your job and sitting jail is hardly a punishment nor a deterrent.You dont have to kill someone to destroy their lives.The person who drinks then drives and ends up injuring someone badly might get 4 years sat on his arse watching telly then be free.The victim suffers for the rest of their lives.

[dirtybunny987]

@silver760

If you think loosing your life and having to go to prison isnt a punishment enough i dont know what you expect.

I mean i couldnt be in prison for a month, not even a week.

I have classes and a job and if i were to miss a week of classes id fail the class and have to repeat the entire semester again and i cant afford to lose a job because i need to eat So having to spend years locked up in a prison doing absolutely nothing would be horrible, id be alive but id have nothing

[silver760]

@dirtybunny987 What I am highlighting is that modern "Punishments" do bit fit the crimes.People go out and commit atrocious crimes and the worst they can expect to receive as punishment is to be locked up in a well appointed prison.Where is the punishment in that? So they loose their complete freedom for a few years and when the sentence is done they are released.To take someones life is the worst crime there is and the punishment should reflect this.Discomfort,suffering,hard­ship

[dirtybunny987]

@silver760 So in other words you're saying you can do a life sentence easy no problem because time goes by so fast?

I still dont see whats so funny about it