Democrats answer gay question at debate

Edwards, Obama and Clinton answer gay-related question at 9/26/07 Dem. debate.

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[nikkytoh]

im gay doesnt mean i cant be a republican or christian..

[Aiiwolf]

I like how the president Obama said: "Try to bring us together and stop try to fan the flames of devision and help us come together"

[Jamieishere1]

@iluvthebass3 Furthermore, the 10 commandments are also in the OT, only some of which are reiterated in the NT. The God you worship appears to be incompatible with an omnibenevolent being. Even were the OT no longer relevant, your God still did terrible things in it (and does says some pretty bad stuff in the NT too), making him a terrible, evil God. Numbers 31 (especially verses 17-18) for instance has him ordering the murder and (almost certainly) rape of children.

[Jamieishere1]

@iluvthebass3 Sure, though 1 Peter 2:18 is of course NT and much of the OT is incompatible with an omnibenevolent God. Furthermore, the bible says that God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8, Psalm 102:25-27, James 1:17 etc).

In Matthew 5:18 Jesus says that:

"until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law".

Earth is still here...

So your claim seems to be contradicted by scripture.

[iluvthebass3]

@a01087483 No I would not because that is mentioned in the Old Testament(the old truth) and I live by the New Testament(the new truth). I do read the Old Testament just as much as the New Testament because it helps me understand the Old Testament better. That is why many people don't sacrifice animals or have slavery like they do in the Old Testament. Thanks for replying. :)

[iluvthebass3]

@Jamieishere1 thanks for telling me where you found that. It's really hard to talk about this because the world has so many different views on morals, religion, and other difficult things like these. I understand that the bible does say those things. It's just that we don't go by the Old Testament anymore because old testament means "old truth". God gave us the New Testament so that we may live by it.We still study the old testament to learn from it and make sense of the New Testament by it. :)

[Jamieishere1]

@prime440 Np, it's taken practise lol and I still don't always succeed and thank you too. Anyway, regarding God's injustice, Christopher Hitchens does a good job of running through NT unjust teachings, though it's true that the UNCHANGING (according to the Bible) God is far worse in the OT.

Numbers chapter 31 for instance (verses 17+18 in particular).

God's Kill Count:

/watch?v=IABptlAhyJw

Hitchens on the immorality of Jesus' teachings:

/watch?v=UGEh-fQS9Sk

[Jamieishere1]

@prime440 My opinions are however generally demonstrably correct and/or self-evident. All opinions are not equal.  Some are correct (or a closer approximation of reality), while others are not (or less so).

That a book says something (proverbs 21:30) does not make it true or even have any baring on whether or not it is true. Many other religions likely have exactly the same kind of thing in their magic books tbh.

I can disprove that God is just btw (which would disprove him).

[prime440]

@Jamieishere1Thanks for participating in our discussion in a peacefull mannor, wish more people could converse like you .

[prime440]

@Jamieishere1You are entitled to your opinion as i am, however i will stick to my belief in jesus christ and continue to believe that GOD has to be a just GOD to be a real GOD.Proverbs 21:30

[Jamieishere1]

@prime440 Any positive point made by Jesus or any aspect of Christianity or any other religion can be made independently of that religion and independently of the it's accompanying supernatural superstitions. I.E. it can be made in an entirely secular way.

Atheist's understanding and interpretation of morality varies. It isn't monolithic. That the bible may hold some good advise is unsurprising, given how big it is. This does not give the bible sole and everlasting claim to it.

[Jamieishere1]

@prime440 The comedian in question is more of a philosopher and their points stand on their own merit, irrespective of their maker's occupation.

You would have to justify that your foundation was a moral code before making that claim.

2 John 1:10

"10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them."

Luke 19:27 is another interesting teaching (a parable about spiritual wealth as far as I remember).