Would we better off without religion? - (Part 6of7)
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The taliban do charity aswell by the way, in parts of iraq people are so poor they cant look after their children and the taliban take these children in and feed and cloth them and in return teach them the hate preachings of the scriptures in the quran. Im not saying all of the quran is hate preaching , but it does have hate preaching within it just like the bible, they both also have peace preaching too. Your basicly saying ignore the bad, look at the good things that come about through faith.
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England and america on the other hand disarmed the millitary through yes violence and murder, but once the regime was dismantled , let the people of germany live. We humans were far more merciful than god. I dont know if you admit that god did infact order genocides or the flood, if you accept he did then you think somehow what hes done since redeems his character, in that case hitler commited attrocaties , if he went on to do lots and lots of charity does that redeem his character?
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@steelyman40 Noah's flood if believed to have happened was apocalyptic genocide, the ordered extermination of many nations surrounding the israelites. Now lets take a violent nation into account to illustrate my point. Nazi germany filled with hate for the jews and others commited vast attrocaties and so england and america and little bits of other nations steped in to stop these attrocaties, god's solution comparativly would be to exterminate the entire nation, england and america Cont..
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@rosemaya48 I was having some fun with you, Rosemary, but now you're scaring me a little bit. Saying that there are no spiritual truths...doesn't that sound a bit too much like moral relativism to you? I don't want to misinterpret you, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but moral relativism is really, really dangerous. In answer to your question about whether it's ever struck me etc..."yes". Then I woke up and realised there's more to truth than what science alone teaches.-read my posts to Manchester26
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@rosemaya48 More counterfactual history, Rosemary. "universities would have been established". really? By whom? Which institution with the reach of the medievil Church would have wasted resources establishing such things in the way they turned out? The closest I can think of would be the work of Philip the Navigator in Portugal, but surely YOU know why that's not an example that supports your argument, don't you, Rosemary?! SUUURE YOU DO!
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@steelyman40 One example off the top of my head is the presence of believing Christians engaged in scientific enquiry today and in the time that you might refer to as 'yesterfar'. There were Church inspired enquiries back then, too (Heliocentric universe comes to mind--this is where I secretly hope that you bring up the example of Galileo to really highlight your ignorance of history and give me a chance to put the smack down!).
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@rosemaya48 I cant go over it again-but if you're interested,have a read of my post (above) to manchester26. This might help you out a bit...and speaking of "arrogantly and foolishly believing" that you have the truth...WOW, Rosemary48. The Church wouldn't have gotten behind universities had they known what they'd turn into, eh? That's a claim that historians like to call "wandering down the path of counterfactual history"..or, in layman's terms "bullshit".
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@steelyman40 I don't actually cherry pick the Bible. There are parts of it that are violent. I want you to answer a question as you sit and read this, though...which parts of the Bible are violent? If you can answer the question, you know the thing you're critiquing. If you can't, maybe you should go learn about--try to understand it before attacking it with very little knowledge. Good talking to you.
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@steelyman40 been exhausting. Also, if you want to look at Christianity's impact on history, and you're honest, you have to look at the good that it's done as well. Think of it like this: if I were an alien and I wanted to do a documentary on humans, I couldn't just pick Hitler, Stalin and Mao as my subjects--they don't give a fair reading of humanity. Same thing with Christian history--there's bad (because humans do bad things sometimes), but there's a great deal of good, too.
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@irtehpwn09 I can't believe I haven't replied to this yet. Wow. Ok. Thank you for being honest enough to put your ignorance out front. No, I'm not saying the Crusaders weren't Christian. They believed they were doing God's work-in addition to often lining their own pockets. It's not as simple as that, though. Crusaders collaborated with/worked with infidels frequently. There was more cooperation than bloodshed--think about it, the crusader kingdom lasted 200 years. Constant war would have
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Religion has stuck around for so long because it provides an answer to an inquisitive mind and without the tools to explore reality properly, religion holds sway.
Once things get discovered, religion starts to retreat, abandoning things like flat earth and geocentricism in favour of things like afterlife - Things which cannot be proven and for which no evidence exists. Things that appeal to our fears and or hopes...
Like fortune tellers.
manchester26m 2 years ago 10
Imagine if you had Neil Degrasse Tyson explain a bit of cosmology... maybe the importance of the cosmic background radiation - and then you brought on a bunch of 2nd graders to refute what he said.
This is about what it sounds like to have these three stooges on after Dawkins. The really amazing part is that fully half the population of the US or Canada isn't smart enough to see the difference.
osgeek 1 year ago 2