William Lane Craig vs Ronald De Sousa 1/16 (York University)

From William Lane Craig's Ontario Universities Debate Tour.

Does God Exist? Professors William Lane Craig and Ronald De Sousa debate. Sponsored by Campus for Christ. Hosted by York University

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[djordan0138]

As far as I'm concerned, Walter Sinnott-Armstrong takes care of William Lane Craig in the Oxford published point/counterpoint series book God? A Debate between a Christian and an Atheist. The old Problem of Evil was, once again, sidestepped by another Christian.

[Christianjr4]

Walter Sinnott-Armstrong is a good philosopher. I haven't read their book, but I listened to a debate he had with Craig on the Problem of Evil and he did very well. I thought Craig did well as well. When I get the DVD of this debate I'll try to upload it to YouTube.

[BeBoBli]

@Kep0v

Proofs of what precisely? What claims can you prove to me are true? What other perception would you use other than a human's?

[Kep0v]

@BeBoBli but there are proofs. at least from the human perception

[BeBoBli]

William proposes a catch-all magic conscious creature that created the universe. He provides no proof and worse yet, thinks it's more logical to believe this. That there is very little reason to believe otherwise. There being no proof of said absurd claims is good enough reason for me.

[27182818R]

I wonder if there may be more then one god. Might their reason for building the universe may well have nothing to do with us. It might be for life on some other world. Or maybe it was built so that our cats might have eternal life. Possibility the universe was just an experiment. We could just have popped out of nothing. This happens all the time in physics. Maybe there really are trillions of other universes isolated from our own. So many exciting possibilities, but i guess we'll never know.

[universephotons]

Is the premise: 'everything that begins to exist has a cause' refuted? If you reach for quarks or any subatomic particles or appeal to any aspect of quantum physics, please know that those are 'things' too.

To concede the premise (confirmed insipte of Hawking's new metaphysis, instead of physics) implies the universe did begin. To ask who made God is to suggest infinite regression - which defeats the premise conceded. God represents a sufficient terminus - making Him unique.

[GetMeThere1]

@bahramf : How perceptive! Only stupid christians would complain about audio quality in a video--everybody knows that.

[bahramf]

@hkleomon Also, your argument says nothing of the nature of God. Also, if everything needs a cause, what about God?

[bahramf]

@hkleomon Everything does not have a cause or a reaction (whatever the latter means). Do you know anything of quarks?

Creation from nothing is impossible, but fortunately that's not what atheists claim. That's just a straw-man Christian like you pull out of your ass.

[bahramf]

@bellaprincipessa655 Well, when you say it like that, you must be right.