Are Roman Catholics saved?

No one can judge a Roman Catholic's heart, but God. However, if the Roman Catholic follows the official position of the Roman Catholic Church which teaches that justification is by works, then such a person is lost. The Bible teaches that justification is by faith alone (Rom. 4:5; Eph. 2:8-9).

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[BrenttheSkeptic]

@cburton103 You note that you cite scientists who lived at the very earliest times in the development of science. Many of them had no choice but to profess belief---if they were to be given a job and to be published. Poor scientist Giordano Bruno learned the hard way that conflict with the autocratic all powerful Catholic Church led to a nail through your tongue and burning in the public square.

93% of scientists in the highly prestigious U.S. Natl Acad of Sci. profess NO BELIEF.

[cburton103]

@BrenttheSkeptic I think part of the problem here is that you're assuming that all religion is similar to Mormonism. This is absolutely not the case. Have you honestly read much from Catholic intellectuals?

Tell your theory about how religion and science are at odds to some of the greatest, most influential scientific minds throughout the ages who have also been devout Christians. Bacon, Pascal, Newton, Mendel, Planck, Lemaitre, Collins, and hundreds of others would beg to differ with you.

[BrenttheSkeptic]

@SgtPepperJack825 You really don't get it do you? Scientists are among the least arrogant people whom I know, in contrast to supernaturalists who are convinced that they're right based on no evidence at all. Scientists understand that we are ignorant. We understand that we are biased. We work hard to overcome those things.

You are the quintessential, evidence-free supernaturalist. You typify the characteristics that I renounce with your bronze age idiocy and I replace it with REASON.

[SgtPepperJack825]

@BrenttheSkeptic

Arrogance + Ignorance + Immorality + Bigotry + Illogic + Closemindedness = Atheism.

Think!

[BrenttheSkeptic]

@cburton103 I'd bet that you've never carried out a publishable piece of science in your life. Let me explain why science and religion are intrinsically, inextricably, inevitably and eternally at odds. Science and scientists RELISH new verifiable evidence, especially evidence counter to preconceived notions and explanations. That's how science progresses. Religionists ABHOR evidence that is counter to their foundation dogmatic propositions and reject all such evidence instantly. Think!!!

[BrenttheSkeptic]

@cburton103 Written like a typical supernaturalist! You claim that "my god created the Cosmos." I say: "no god need be postulated for the Cosmos to exist based on our best cosmology." You therefore claim a "god did it." I say: "No god is needed." You are using your god to fill a gap, where no gap actually exists!

[cburton103]

@BrenttheSkeptic The god of the gaps theory is this: "God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence."

You're going far beyond the boundaries of this fallacy, and claiming that God does nothing (at least in the physical realm). By definition, this fallacy says that it's fallacious to not understand something and therefore say, "God did it!". Learn the fallacy better if you're going to talk about it.

[mrlivingstons1]

Either this guy is extremely Calvinistic beyond contextual measures, or he he is completely ignorant of the christian denomination of Catholicism. Could be both... I know that I have many catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. It's not up to him to decide who is saved and who isnt, that's God's job. Why doesn't he spend less time tearing the body of Christ apart and more time building it up?? God bless.

[BrenttheSkeptic]

@cburton103 The contingency argument explains the origin of the Cosmos as "god did it." That's a god of the gaps. ANYTIME one uses "god did it" as an "explanation" it's god of the gaps. You need to study more science and less bronze age mythology.

[cburton103]

@BrenttheSkeptic (2) I don't follow your logic on why you claim the argument from contingency is a god of the gaps argument. As I understand it, the god of the gaps fallacy is seeing or thinking about something, not understanding how it occurs, and thus ascribing it to a god. This isn't the case with the Jewish, Christian, or Muslim faith.