Secular One-State Solution (Palestine/Israel)

John discusses the problems/conflicts caused by religion and specifically examples regarding Palestine/Israel

Melbourne Speakers Forum
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Melbourne, Australia

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Topic here is Secular One State Solution (Palestine / Israel) and the problems caused by religion in Middle East and in the world (on this day, Sunday 30th November at the State Library Lawn Melbourne CBD City there was a pro Palestine Rally that was separate to the Speakers Forum. This video/talk is from the Speakers Forum)

30/11/2008
First WIDESCREEN Speakers Forum Video

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[Hairysteed]

@cpeigney94 Zionism doesn't always mean religious Zionism. Many of the founders of Israel were atheists and were Jewish only by ethnicity.

[shlomof]

@montezoma

The palestinians rejected in 1948 UN res 181 and went to war to kill the jews and destroy Israel . As the jews fought back , the palestinians fled to the neighboring countries, vowing to go on with the war against Israel , refusing any compromise and not recognizing the right of Israel to exist in the Middle East as a jewish state. As their villages were in total ruins because of the war , what was Israel supposed to do , build them from the scratches or evacuate the ruins ?

[montezoma]

@shlomof

palestinians are not angels, they have their share of stupidity. but hey let's always remember hebron massacre while forget the 400 palestinian villages that were erased from the face of the earth

[shlomof]

@montezoma

Why did the palestinians kill the jews in Hebron in 1929, who lived there for many hundreds of years and weren't at all zionists?

[montezoma]

@shlomof

Why Tunisia or morocco dont kill the jews who stayed there. I wonder why, cause arabs only goal in this life is to kill jews, that's whats they are born to do.

[shlomof]

@ryan84160

Don't you think it's quite stupid to compare singing a national anthem with cutting of the heads of women?

No jew in Romania had any problem with singing every morning at school the national anthem which glorifies the romanian nation, which by definition belongs to the orthodox church.

And the same was in other countries.

[shlomof]

@ryan84160

You are so naive... If the arabs had defeated Israel , if I would be willing to swear loyalty or not , wouldn't have been any issue, as all the jews would have been killed as were killed all those who didn't succeed to flee from the parts of Palestine which were occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

[ryan84160]

@shlomof If the Arabs had defeated Israel, would you be willing to swear loyalty to the Islamic nation? A sate should always be secular and should be a state of all of its citizens. Should Switzerland force all of its citizens to swear loyalty to the state of German citizens ? When you force all the citizens to wear loyalty to a particular religion or ethnicity, you are essentially say the government is here to serve and protect them first and the rest are secondary citizens.

[shlomof]

@ryan84160

They swear allegiance to a jewish state not in the sense of religion , but to the state belonging to the jewish ethnicity, as in Romania for example are swearing allegiance to the state belonging to the romanians , though the hungarians which are a big minority are still demanding part of it, Transilvania.

There are countries where every morning school starts with the students singing the national anthem , in Israel no arab citizen is forced to sing Hatikva, the israeli anthem.

[shlomof]

@ryan84160

The arabs don't want to recognize Israel as a jewish state not because of the religion, their intention is to perpetuate the conflict.If Israel is not a jewish state why not allow the return of the arab refugees, which actually means the end of Israel.