hmong spinning

i met a hmong family in the red dzao valley near sapa, where i got by motorbike.

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[lastime77]

cool...

[07topkapi]

thanks

[MeyKhuangPien]

Well the dialog that is being spoken is actually "Mien". However, the woman who is sitting down sewing and such is probably who the man is referring to as the Black Hmong. I know for a fact the lang. being spoken is Mien, because I can understand it very clearly.

Thanks for uploading!

[07topkapi]

thanks for your info too.

i didn´t know about "mien" and i´ve been searching about it but....what´s the difference between mien and hmong? i can see it clearly.

i didn´t know too about so many hmongs living in USA.

interesting...

[MeyKhuangPien]

Well, they are (2) distinct/separate ethnic minority groups that can be found in Asia, and now in the U.S. There may be cultural traits, and structures that seem similar(similar, but not the same) amongst these (2) groups,(being that their surroundings and influences could be similar as well) and the dialects that both groups use differ fairly well from each other but are categorized underneath the same language family tree/root: "Miao-Yao".

[07topkapi]

oh that´s ineteresting. as i said i didn´t know about mien before your comment. not even travelling around north west vietnam.

i appreciate your comments.

[Mi3nboitorne]

hmm....the lady on the chair looks hmong, old guy looks hmong but speaks mienh..something about picking firewood and weaving baskets.

but the two with the red is Yao.

Also you guys had an interesting conversations about the Kim Mun and Iu-Mienh...everytime I read the word "Kim Mun" it reminds me of the Mienh word "Gemh Mienh" but we call them Janx-Cun-Zeiv =\

[lastime77]

I also agree that we can study any subject from many perspectives.

[lastime77]

Even within the Iu-Mien, our culture is so distinct. For example, Iu-Mien America, Thai-Mien, and Lao Mien...are we still even Iu-Mien? Are we another group of people, since our culture majorly shifted from its' original origins? I'm not saying we are a different group of people, but it is an interesting question to ask ourselves.

[lastime77]

Lastly, I never made any implications that what you have written is historically inaccurate. I stated, "What you've written is historically, accurate..." I was implying that how the historians + sociologists distinguished/measured differences between different groups is changing because of more recent shifts as I have mentioned before. The questions is, how do we measure these differences today?

[lastime77]

My main point was that the Mien of Laos no longer practice subsistence farming through the practice of slash and burn.

[lastime77]

For example, in Laos more recent policies prohibit the Iu-Mien to live in the mountains and prohibit the practice of slash and burn. If you go to Laos today, they practice a different type of subsistence farming. Accordingly, our Mien culture is shifting rapidly because of more local government regulations whereby in the past, the local government allowed the Mien and other hilltribes a more independent autonomy.

[lastime77]

SEA-meaning within South-east Asia. Your argument is valid. I was just stating the local government policies now restrict mountain/hilltribe people from dwelling in the mountains and no longer allow them to practice slash and burn.

[MeyKhuangPien]

I understand that there are vital pieces of information we've both collected that may or may not be compatible or equivalent to one another; so therefore your view of how these perspectives work are not the same as mine.

[MeyKhuangPien]

If that was what you were trying to imply. But if I've sprung any confusion about what I've stated, they weren't my intentions.

[MeyKhuangPien]

Yet, whether if the Mienh have been obligated to stop this kind of slash and burn agriculture, the idea here is that the Mienh came from this kind of producing society; which was the example I was trying to make of how they differentiate from the Mun. These sources I've obtained may be extrememly outdated but I wouldn't imply them to be historically incorrect.