Do YOU Know Your Bible? (Part 24)

The twenty-fourth episode in an ongoing series of videos exploring passages of the bible, especially in light of the biblical literalism that seems so rampant in America.

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[Slimpack4321]

Nice Video. I really liked it, but there's one part that I don't agree with/don't understand. How does God having omniscience of the future negate free will? If you define God's omniscience as simply having knowledge of the outcomes of all the decisions people are going to make before they make it, then not being able to do otherwise doesn't mean a lack of free will, because if you could that would mean being able to do otherwise than what you are going to do, which is a contradiction.

[TaylorX04]

@Slimpack4321 I explained in the comments and the annotation that it's because god, as the creator, set the future in motion, determining the factors that would have a bearing on what you will do, before you're even born. Thus, the omniscience of god and his decision to create the universe in this particular way means that he "willed" for you in advance.

[Slimpack4321]

@Slimpack4321

That's how I would look at it. Also as far as I can see God's knowledge of the future would stay the same unless he (or someone else?) told a person about the knowledge of the future he had about them. If that happened than that person, now with knowledge of the things he/she will do in the future, can deliberately make different choices at which point I would presume God's knowledge of the future would change to a different knowledge of a different future, as weird as that sounds

[TaylorX04]

@Slimpack4321 Lol, well I don't think most theists would think it possible for god's knowledge to be incorrect or incomplete (meaning not of our own future, but a different one).

[HimesInu]

Here's a question. If "God' creates everything, knows everything, and is perfect, and loves everyone, why does he make people gay if he hates gays so much? Hell, not even the devil gets as much hate from "God" as homosexuals do.

[TaylorX04]

@HimesInu The homophobic Christians I've known tend to deny that gays are born gay. They usually believe it's a choice that can be unmade just as easily as it's made. Of course, whether it's a choice or not, there is no reason gays should not have the same human rights as the rest of us. Marriage did not begin as a Jewish or Christian institution.

[TaylorX04]

@bonnie43uk Maybe I should do a video on that? A lot of Christians have this general sentiment that the bible has "all the answers." I bet if we put that to the test, we'd find it has a lot more questions than answers.

[KrokrX]

Leaving aside how in Genesis 'God' claimed his creation was 'good' but only a few chapters later 'repented'(Gen 6:6) and destroys his creation, which seems at odds with his supposed omniscience, how about Hosea 8:4? Their 'God' supposedly says "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not:" - sounds like a blatant admission he's not omniscient.

[Cathmoytura]

You used the name “Lucifer” as in the personification of evil. Point of info: besides the Authorized Version, no popular English Bible uses that name. It’s my recollection that when Jerome was translating the Bible into Latin, he’d had ongoing strains with Bishop Lucifer of Cagliari. (Yes, there's a Saint Lucifer). Some textural scholars believe Jerome inserted Lucifer’s name into Isaiah 14:12 as a sarcastic slight on a rival. The Hebrew word in the text is heylel.

[gambleor]

It's not a problem for Trinitarians, it's a problem for Modalists. Jesus' saying that the Son doesn't know the hour of judgment day but only the Father does is perfectly in line with Trinitarianism.

[Cootabux]

#2

Taylor

I know you already know the following. I just wanted to mention this for Slimpack4321 & others who may not be familiar with this argument..

God's omniscience is a logical contradiction, but it gets better. Xians claim god is both omniscient and Omnipotent, they both become logical contradictions. If god foresees an event, it must come true which means he can't change it, which means he's not omnipotent., If he did change it, he wouldn't be omniscient!

Beautiful contradictions

[Cootabux]

#1

TaylorX04

....god and his decision to create the universe in this particular way means that he "willed" for you in advance

This is one of my favorites just bcuz of the points you made about omniscience. I've debated this subject too many times with Xians, yet they seem to not be able to grasp it.

Yes, not only is it bcuz he willed it in advance, but just in him "knowing" future events, it creates predestiny! Future events can't be altered otherwise god wouldn't be omniscient.

cont.

[violin245]

I'll donate to this!!