The Gay Debate: The Bible and Homosexuality

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Matthew Vines speaks on the theological debate regarding the Bible and the role of gay Christians in the church. Delivered at College Hill United Methodist Church in Wichita, Kansas on March 8, 2012. Transcript and translations: http://www.matthewvines.com/transcript.

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[jynxkat1369]

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[Landon Brownfield]

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[SIAFUbean]

Galatians 1:6-9,I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[SIAFUbean]

Genisis 19:4-6- Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”

6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly!

[SIAFUbean]

Romans 1:22-32, 2 Peter 2:4-11 please read these for starters!!!

[David Ethm Kwon]

In regards to "frasking," I said if, didn't I? If frasking did involve making bread out of yeast, bible would not be in support of that activity in certain circumstances. Being gay does involve having a man having sex with another man. I agree biblical authors didn't know accurately nor exactly what being gay meant, but still they condemned man-on-man sexual intercourse. Homosexuality does involve a man having sex with another man (unless you're a lesbian or trans) and bible doesnt support this.

[David Ethm Kwon]

Well, of course I give very little weight to OT laws. I'm an atheist. The entire bible is an outdated text that should be irrelevant in the modern world, except when doing historical and literary analysis. But in regards to scientific methods and truths about the universe? ABout morality and what kind of laws should be formed? I consider the bible a worthless document.

But if I was a Jew/Christian who believed this text to be a holy word of God, then I'd argue OT laws are very important.

[MyrtleMartha]

OK, just one more comment, to keep you from having frasking nightmares. Frasking is pulling the frasks, or crusts, off of a piece of pre-sliced bread, as little children (and some adults) are in the habit of doing. Doesn't require eating the bread or making it out of any particular ingredients. Can apply equally well, for example, to potato bread made to feed birds. And your own example shows how little weight we need give to the OT culture rules. Good night before I lose the night entirely.

[David Ethm Kwon]

"If you think all that equates to condemning sex in a loving SSM, then we must just agree to disagree"

No, I'm not making that equation. I'm saying, how can you take sex out of a loving same-sex marriage? A gay man who falls in love with another bi/gay man isn't only going to have a loving relationship. They're also going to have sex. The bible condemns this sex. So bible condemns a big part of this relationship. The bible is thus rather bigoted towards gay people.

[David Ethm Kwon]

"If you think all that equates to condemning sex in a loving SSM, then we must just agree to disagree"

No, I'm not making that equation. I'm saying, how can you take sex out of a loving same-sex marriage? A gay man who falls in love with another bi/gay man isn't only going to have a loving relationship. They're also going to have sex. The bible condemns this sex. So bible condemns a big part of this relationship. The bible is thus rather bigoted towards gay people.

[MyrtleMartha]

I think your use of "homosexuality" is inaccurate here. No, they didn't know homosexuality existed. That's the point. Greeks/Romans had no concept of inborn orientation. They knew sometimes a man had sex with a man, or a woman with a woman.They thought it something anybody might just choose to do. The Bible authors saw themselves condemning out-of-control lust. If you think all that equates to condemning sex in a loving SSM, then we must just agree to disagree. Thanks for talking. Good night.