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Refuting Liberal Talking Points: The Electoral College is Flawed

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North Carolina, Pennsylvania, California consider changing how their states award electoral college votes (like the system in Maine & Nebraska)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/jul/31/california-electoral-vote-spl...

http://web.archive.org/web/20071013052031/http://www.opinionjournal.com/feder...

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/north_carolina_stops_short...

http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2011/09/13/pennsylvania-considering-elec...

Hillary Clinton was against the electoral college before she was for it

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/03/09/hillarys-team-talks-electo...

Senator Bill Nelson wants to abolish the electoral college

http://web.archive.org/web/20081205062521/http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...

Former Senator Evan Bayh wanted to ditch the Electoral College

http://web.archive.org/web/20080720052723/http://www.newsobserver.com/102/sto...

Miscellaneous material on the Electoral College

http://townhall.com/columnists/paulgreenberg/2009/03/09/save_the_electoral_co...

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/26/popular-vote-or-the-electoral-college/

http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2006/05/08/the_subversive_plan...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0616/p01s02-uspo.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/07/24/MNGIHK4CSQ1.DTL

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59683

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.310/pub_detail.asp

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121581748685547419.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/735zlsaz.asp

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703578104575397100729241576.html

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2011/03/14/patton-the-other-48-should-follow...

http://www.conservative.org/acuf/issue-180/issue180pol3

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/top-stories/national-popular-vote-is-bad-for...

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2011/10/06/don%e2%80%99t_get_r...


http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm

http://usconstitution.net/const.html

http://usconstitution.net/constamfail.html

Oppose the National Popular Vote scheme

http://www.saveourstates.com/

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  • All those states that have passed this crap sandwich traditionally vote Democrat. The first time a Republican wins the NPV and California has to give all its electors to the GOP will be the end of this nonsense. It will probably happen in 2012, Øbama doesn't have time to repair the train wreck before the election. I was hoping Palin would run so the victory would be that much sweeter and the look on Dem faces as blue states cast their votes for her would have been priceless.

  • TXK: That is correct (although I'm not a big fan of Palin). It was kind of amusing watching the Dems go bonkers when the GOP in PA & CA tried to divvy up electoral votes there by congressional district. That's perfectly legal & requires no amendment to the U.S. Const. I wouldn't mind if every state went to that system, then every state would get visited because no matter what, there are "blue" districts in "red" states and vice versa.

  • i prefer the narated videos. i can do stuff while i listen

  • ROBBO: I was going to ask that question at some point. I'm going to go back to narration soon.

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  • @TXK:I concur, this is a Republic, thanks for the vid link. As far as increasing the size of the House, I think James Madison warned us about having too many pols or pols representing too many people. I had never heard of that plan to give 100 electoral votes to the NPV winner. That's certainly a constitutional amendment that could be considered. I've written my state reps & Senator, telling them to go to the system practiced in ME & NE.

  • @UTubekookdetector I too believe that electors should be divvied up by Congressional District. Let the two Senatorial electors go to the NPV winner. That way, the guy gets 100 electoral votes just by winning the NPV. However, a better plan would be to increase the size of the US House to a ratio of 1:50000. You would have so many electors that we would not ever see a someone win the presidency who had not won the NPV and we would get better representation in Congress to boot.

  • @UTubekookdetector We don't live in a democracy. This is a republic. For the best 10 min political lesson you'll ever get (including the difference between a democracy and a republic), go here: watch?v=DioQooFIcgE

  • OLD: "6 consecutive non-landslide elections" This is dubious. You seem upset that it's competitive. If I may quote Clinton, "depends on what your definition of 'landslide' is." The 08 election really wasn't that close. Neither was 96. In 80, 84 and 88 the GOP cleaned up at the ballot box. You indeed engage in some dubious reasoning.

  • OLD" "76% of the country will be ignored" The reason many states are "flyover" is because one party or another (forget whether that party's policies are good or bad) has done a good job getting its message out and convincing people to vote for that party. If you want less states to be "flyover" start educating voters in that state, try to win-over people and convince them that they should vote another way. If you did really good, it would still be "flyover" but pulling the lever for someone else

  • OLD: "New Gallup poll... endorsed by Nixon, Ford..." More ad populum appeal. Good. Then get permission from Congress or amend the Const. "Support for a NPV is strong." So strong in fact, it's failed legislatively about 700 times. "flyover... battleground" Remember when CA was GOP country? Remember when TX (especially on the state level & most of the South) was a Dumocrat stronghold? Remember when MO was a bellwether? States that were "flyover" become battleground. Moot point, but good try.

  • OLD: I see why you're pointing out SCOTUS rulings in favor of NPV, but it doesn't work. 1) If the SCOTUS said 2+2=5, would you endorse that? 2) In the Kelo v. New London decision, the SCOTUS interpreted the 5th Amend incorrectly. Article I Section X (see 4:02) doesn't say what you're saying it says. "No state shall, without the consent of Congress... enter into any agreement or compact with another state." "NPV...introduce a bill." Good for them. Get permission from Congress or amend the Const.

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