Why Would You Hate Jesus, And Think He's A Myth || Spoken Word
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This is very subjective, not objective. Spoken like a true, die hard Christian. And so it goes on...our way, or no way, the Christian motto. I have no problem with the Lord Jesus...I love Jesus, too, wait...am I allowed to love Jesus, even if I haven't been "saved?" Mother Theresa loved Jesus, but according to Christians, she's doomed to everlasting hell, because she wasn't "saved" according to their rules. Sorry, I can't accept that..I'm moving on.
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I find it interesting as well why people are willing and SEEKING to go out of their way to argue away huge portions of their finite existence, trying to convince the so-called happy-delusional Christians that there's nothing more to this life. I did it when I was an atheist. But, on atheism, life has no purpose or objective meaning. Making it your purpose to convince others of life purposelessness is rather ironic. I enjoy the "Mad at a Myth" poem. Very powerful. Cheers.
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@robocoastie - I feel like I should clarify the issue in question before we allow it to digress... I am simply saying I believe that Jesus is an historical person and that this belief is supported by historically documented evidence...you are saying he did not exist and is instead a myth and that there is no historical corroboration for my belief in his actual existence. We are not arguing over whether diverse opinions about Jesus (like yours) have arisen since. That is a given.
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@robocoastie - Okay then, sir, how many of your statements, already made here, would I have to refute before you would admit your bias? Would one be enough? You state, "The only documents stating he did (exist) is from biased theological sources and NOT historical records." If I provide a single historical source will you admit that you are wrong? Or will you begin an attempt to discredit that historical source? (PS-Your personal dismissal of ancient manuscrpits do not make them nonexistent.)
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@MadAtAMyth that is correct. And I've actually quoted from theological texts whereas you've just said typical off the cuff frustrated modern evangelical remarks, and strawmen. Fruitless discussion. You're the one who has to provide the evidence. So show us these historians. Universities filled with historical and biblical scholars are waiting. Or did you not realize that biblical scholars tend to not believe the theology rubbish?
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@robocoastie - Really? The only ones? No unbiased Jewish or Roman historians? No independent corroboration from other sources? Everyone fooled but you? "That point has been proven ad nauseum in all research." What are you smoking? "Heck even seminaries know that and seminary trained pastors do!" Fo shizzle, Robo! Really, I don't even know where to begin. Would you please read a book not written by agitating atheists with axes to grind and then come back to play on another day? This is silly now.
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@robocoastie what IS a speculation though is christians believing he did. The only documents stating he did is from biased theological sources and NOT historical records. That point has been proven ad nauseum in all research. Heck even seminaries know that and seminary trained pastors do! This is why those who follow the historic Christian faith rather than the modern feel good versions we have so prevalent today say: I can not by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ or come to him.
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except for the fact that I didn't say the man Jesus didn't exist.
too many non sequitur's there and your making the typical misuse of the word "theory" which in my experience when done equals an even further lack of scholarly understanding on the persons part. So I can already tell any attempt at dialogue will be a waste of time. I'll you two to split hairs amongst yourselves again.
robocoastie 9 months ago
@robocoastie - Non sequitur (pronounced /nɒnˈsɛkwɪtər/) is Latin for "it does not follow." It is most often used as a noun to describe illogical statements. What does not follow the weight of most scholarly opinion are your conclusions regarding the historicity of the man, Jesus of Nazareth--Also, theory is a technical term from Ancient Greek. It is derived from theoria, θεωρία, meaning "a looking at, viewing, beholding", and refers to contemplation or speculation" You are speculating. It fits.
MadAtAMyth 9 months ago