Islamic Stoning Muslim Honor Killings, Islam for Dummies الرجم في الإسلام

Islamic Stoning Muslim Honor Killings for adultery and fornication, Islam for Dummies
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الرجم للزاني و للزانية بالاسلام - رجم الزاني و الزانيه في الاسلام
Today we will be talking about the Islamic punishment for adultery, or stoning. Is it barbaric as some people claim? Quite the contrary, we will see the mercy of Islam, as the divine culmination of Judaism and Christianity.

FIRST
Islam alleviated mankind from this most severe punishment for nearly all crimes.
Throughout ancient history, humanity was predominantly violent and unruly. Harsh measures were needed to deter evil acts, and advanced means were not yet developed for effective policing, detention, and rehabilitation.
However, this does not justify the barbaric laws and practices of all ancient non-religious societies.
And while Islam confirms the divine origin of the Old Testament, it is impossible to know for certain which of its punishments were: indeed ordained by God, invented by the Rabbis, OR altered by the scribes (Jer 8:8, Mat 5:20, 23:13).
In the Old Testament, stoning was prescribed for many infractions, such as: committing adultery, fornication, worshiping other Gods, inviting people to worship other Gods, blaspheming, witchcraft, touching a mountain (Sinai), breaking the Sabbath, disobeying your parents, not screaming loud enough while being raped.
Islam lifted the burden of this most severe punishment for all crimes, except one:
committing adultery (because of the devastating impact of marital infidelity on society). And regarding fornication by unmarried people, Islam reduced the punishment to 100 lashes.

SECOND
Regarding the "verse of stoning", God mercifully lifted its recitation and text from the Quran, while the legislation remained.
To paraphrase Imam Al Suyuti from his book Al Itqan: This verse was abrogated
(while its application remained) to ALLEVIATE the nation, because it is the heaviest burden and the toughest, and the most severe punishment.
In the Quran, stoning was only mentioned as a practice by evil people against the righteous. This is in stark contrast with the Bible, where all sorts of people were stoned for the many reasons we mentioned earlier.

THIRD
Islam's requirements regarding witnesses are so stringent that it is nearly impossible to obtain a conviction for adultery.
For example, convicting someone in court of adultery requires FOUR eye-witnesses
of good character who saw the penetration of one sexual member into another.
Not only is it very unlikely to find 4 people of good character who watched such an act together, but if less than 4 witnesses are produced, the witnesses themselves will be punished for the crime of slander.
As a result, enforcing any punishment for extramarital sex is nearly impossible in Islam. In fact, throughout all early Islamic leaderships, there was not even one single case where 4 people testified to witnessing adultery.
And as for those who knew the punishment and confessed anyway, this was confirmed by the Prophet (peace be upon him) as the supreme repentance: worth that of an entire city.
Therefore, as a punishment, stoning is not scary at all, because it can hardly ever be enforced. It is an effective deterrent, not out of fear, but because no Muslim would want to commit an act that, in the sight of God, "DESERVES" such a punishment.

FOURTH
This punishment applies only to Muslims, who are not the ones complaining about it !
Islam does not interfere with non-Muslims about the standards they set regarding adultery. Therefore, attacking Islam's stance on adultery, is like trying to FORCE
Muslims to adopt the moral values or religious beliefs of others.
And as for those who will still claim that the punishment against Muslims who commit adultery is too severe...we will now discuss the top 3 ways to avoid being stoned for adultery:
3) Be faithful to your spouse.
2) Don't confess to adultery 4 times.
1) Don't let 4 people of good character witness your act of adultery simultaneously, in a well lit room, and from specific angles.

FIFTH
Islamic laws for adultery and fornication protect society far better than western laws.
The false claim is that Islamic laws on extramarital sex result in so-called honor-killings.
Firstly, taking the law into one's own hands is a violation of Islamic law. It is ridiculous to blame Islamic laws for people who are violating them.
Secondly, the personal or family pride that would lead to such crimes, is in itself a major sin in Islam. So again, it is ridiculous to blame Islamic laws for people who are violating them.
Thirdly, such crimes are far more prevalent in western societies because fornication is permitted, except they are called crimes of passion.




Please read the following shocking US statistics on the impact of permitting fornication:

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[osama559]

what program ur using 4 the vioce m8

[MuhaddithDotOrg]

@osama559

cepstral

[cate284]

I'm not an islamophobe and I've raised a valid point about rape that you chose not to publish. I'm not going to continue to write because I don't think this is a fair dialogue. Either publish all my views or don't respond to the ones you chose not to publish.

[MuhaddithDotOrg]

@cate284

you comment about rape requiring 4 witnesses (which is NOT true in Islam) was answered below by islamophobia4dummiez

[MForkicks]

If then your statistics are true why does it seem all the other videos to the right refute your claim that it "Takes four witnesses" or "You must confess four times" the people in those videos do not look like they are welcoming the actions of the others.

The one girl was stoned just for talking to a man.

If these are wrong then where is your outrage? Mobs of people kicking and throwing stones are these people in violation of Islamic law? Why then are they not hunted down.

[MuhaddithDotOrg]

@MForkicks unlike the west, most muslims living in Muslim countries are unable to express their disagreement with government actions.

But this video is clearly against the violence that you mention, and this has been expressed,

[ByChoiceMuslim]

@MuhaddithDotOrg You are talking about fornication, Adultery, domestic violence e.t.c and you put a mother song in the background. Not suitable. 

[islamophobia4dummies]

@VeggieManUK

I think you are missing the point of the 4 eyewitnesses, which would be the requirement from criminal punishment. Whoever is doing such surveys would not be looking at such a requirement. Furthermore, even if we accept that such statistics are under-reported in Islamic countries, you can see from the society and lifestyle that adultery would still be far, far, far, far less than the west, as their environment is that of the family rather than the stereotypical "college dorm" or bar

[VeggieManUK]

In regards to your claims that the west suffers far more adultery compared to that of Islamic countries. Do you think that the requirement of 4 eye-witnesses, of GOOD character that have seen penetration, distort the ACTUAL number of instances of adultery in those Islamic countries? Would you agree, that for western societies to reduce their reported instances of adultery, they include this same requirement?

[TheCaptainSerious]

I have seen most of the ''for dummiez'' videos now, and I have absolutely changed my view (not that I thought ill of you before) but when I saw this, my mouth dropped a little bit. I dont believe in capital punishment AT ALL! As far as I've understood, Islam is very liberal. But this is just silly. I believe that people can have sex with whom they want (unless they've been married ofc). Love is love. I recommend to see ''Penn and Teller's bullshit'' on the programs that revolves around sex.

[MRTHEGUY55]

you are the stupid idiot you moron islam is the true religion for all humans

[infestedzerg99]

@EggBagg26 You and your societies are backwards apparantly,do i need to remind you of 7:00-8:25 ?You must have the memory of a goldfish.All this talk about muslims "accepting" stoning,yet it is so rarely seen,and the statistics speak for themselves.

[LittleQueenTudor]

@cate284

I have a nice article you can read about the proper Islamic ruling for rape evidence. i don't blame you for thinkingt hat four witnesses are needed. Some corrupted islamic wbesites with corrupted scholars endorse this but as a non-muslim I have found this goes against islamic teachings. Medical evidents and data from experts takes precedence.

[islamophobia4dummies]

@LolitaSupreme

No, Islam does not permit me to accuse the intentions of people...maybe they made a mistake, maybe they need better education, etc,

If a Muslim violates Islamic laws, I would never accuse them of not being a true Muslim without evidence of some sort. They made a mistake, and in the case of stoning without 4 eyewitnesses, or taking this law into their own hands, they should also be punished and brought to justice.

[LolitaSupreme]

@islamophobia4dummies

I see what you're saying.

So are you implying that you don't consider "Muslims" who "violate" the religion of Islam as true Muslims?

[islamophobia4dummies]

@LolitaSupreme

My intention was not to deviate from the topic...let me rephrase:

When I asked you:

"Would you say an unqualified doctor is "practicing medicine" if he kills a patient due to his ignorance of a medical procedure?"

You answered:

"Yes, albeit poorly."

This would be in contradiction with the entire field of medicine, where a doctor is NOT SUPPOSED to act outside of his/her expertise...that would be VIOLATING THE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE...the same applies to Islam.