Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement split

Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement split

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News & Politics

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• Jacques Fresco
• Peter Joseph
• Roxanne meadows
• Zeitgeist Movement
• Venus Project

[shawn11112]

Fact are facts -> RBE is from TVP, RBE is not from TZM. Any other organization loses the original information (similar to the game of telephone). Other organizations are unnecessary, since TVP is all-inclusive. When you advocate for an "RBE and TZM," people will not always get the original information before it is filtered through bias and projection. To be "most accurate," learn from the source if possible. TVP is here, so it is possible! Stop your emotional reactions please... use logic.

[metters4lyf]

Why personal Freudian attacks on Roxanne? I dont necesserilly agree, but come on, we are all on the same side.

[grandkadolz]

@bjggjb Nobody is talking about free handouts, we are talking a bout a free world! Free from money and the corruption it breeds. Public housing projects are little more than prisons, without guards built by corrupted politicians for the profit of corrupt businessmen. I'm sorry you think it is childish or naive to dream about and work towards a better world for everyone, but that won't stop me and many, many more people from doing so. As they say, you can be the change you want.

[bjggjb]

@grandkadolz No surprise there.

Believing that eliminating money/giving everybody free handouts will turn them into peace-loving, non-greedy angelic beings, is VERY naive (and childish.)

Look at Chicago's Cabrini Green, or any other big-city public housing project! (Come to think of it, Venus "Project" is a very apt metaphor... Jacque Fresco would "save the world" by turning it into a giant 1960s public housing boondoggle.)

[grandkadolz]

this all seemed very childish to me. it's a shame because I believe in the goals of TVP and TZM and this split will not help either to move forward, despite the name of the last film.

[BigSmartArmed]

Same old sh!t. It's this simple; regardless of what the topic is, the BEHAVIOR of participating parties is the deciding factor. In this particular instance, TZM acted in the role of rude, juvenile pricks that attacked an elderly lady. While the facts behind the reasons for the split on the TVP side have not been publicized, the sheer conduct of TZM (members?) has completely discredited them selves in the minds of self respecting adults (grown ups)

Grow up kids, or it might be to late.

[grandkadolz]

it seems like a lot of egos clashing and it's ! shame!

[DoinDabzByTheSlabs]

THE BOWEL MOVEMENT IS MORE LIKE IT

[HajtomY]

@shawn11112

Yes but any smart person who try's to be aware be you a member of the Zeitgeist knows that if you want to know more you go to VP. :)

So there really is no real conflict. THis fuzz is more personal. The Zeitgeist is growing and reflects its members how it behaves depends on jsut how its members totally understand reality and the alternative that Jacque has created.

[HajtomY]

@BADDSANNAsays well said i think that they will unite again.

[BADDSANNAsays]

TZM is more of a philosophical analysis of our current state...TVP is more of a scientific solution to our current state. they should go hand in hand and cooperate. pete's take is "well, why bicker over credit when this is bigger than both of our groups and more about humanity." jaque seems to both be concerned with pete's practical, technical knowledge of TVP's process, and people's view of TZM being a "cult" hurting investment prospects. he'd rather hands on engineers spearhead the direction.

[dmagwaza]

"In order to attain liberation, it is not necessary to join any organization or religion because they are binding and limiting, holding you to a particular form of worship and belief. If you long for freedom, you will fight against authority of any kind, for authority is the antithesis of spirituality" - J. Krishnamurti