Rear Bear Hug

Defense against a rear grab / bear hug over the arms. Vee Arnis Jitsu style!

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[defenseinstitute]

And, yes, by putting your fingers to your sternum and pressing in, it will stop his hands from getting up to your throat, unless he pulls his hands out and goes around your arms. Again, motion causes motion and if you ain't moving by then, nothing me or anyone else out there is gonna give you is gonna work. Good luck with all your training.

[defenseinstitute]

By attacking the knee, with you foot facing the floor, you stand a much better chance of landing on your feet, rather than having one foot entangled into his body. From there you run through the drill again, move forward, stomp the feet, so he can't get you back into the air, head, then butt, to give you some wiggle room, and take yourself off the line of fire. Finish from there, what ever finish is your flavor.

[puppyavenger]

And finally, at 1:20, you use the same escape you made fun of at 0:31, except you choose not to maintain control the attacker's arm, and that is supposed to make it a good technique.

[defenseinstitute]

Hang tight, I am having a hard time following the conversation between you and my partner. Sir,

should he get you off the ground you could do a heel hook, however, if you do you will probably end up face first into the floor, because of the body mechanics. When he gets you up he must bend his knees. Jason Tiner, my guy in the video, was California's strongest man 3 years ago, and he doesn't posses the power to pick me up with out bending his knees.

[puppyavenger]

I might have been confused by the "your" references in your posts. I understand what you're saying now regarding the hands. I still don't see how a pinky to the sternum is greater than grabbing their wrist.

I am 5'6. Your partner appears to be quite a bit taller than me. If he were to pick me up too quickly for a stomp, as he likely could and as you indicate is his intent, what option do I have but a heel hook to the groin?

[davids11131113]

@Kuroiryu146 OK well if youre arguing against the system, maybe you should just come show Shihan Petrone how its done in person instead of video comments! :D

I'd pay to see that show! I've been with him on seminars to prison guard groups, police, I'll tell you what if you can come in and baffle him or Eric, then I'll eat my leather coat on the SPOT! Deal?

[davids11131113]

@Kuroiryu146 YEA! If youre in a rear bear grab you HAVE been surprised no doubt! Thats why you cant assume you just easily get out of it. Look, we're now arguing about 2 different things, when I trained with Sensei John here I NEVER assumed best case scenario or figured Im strong so I always have the upper hand, we train for worse case scenario, not some 'Learn 1 simple move and youre home free' stuff. Youve got to assume it goes wrong, and your attacker is better, crazier, and stronger.

[Kuroiryu146]

@davids11131113 Further, the attacker in this situation is actually the one with element of surprise. While he may go to a choke if you get into a tussle with him, if he wanted to choke you, he could have done so before bear hugging you. The point of the pinkie pin or a grab is to prevent him from switching to a choke after you've started your defense, and if the fist thing you do is grab, that should prevent any possible chokes anyway.

[Kuroiryu146]

@davids11131113 I'm not sure what you're talking about in your first sentence. I assume that stands for Vee Arnis Jitsu and if that's a principle taught there then, yes, I am arguing against the system, which was my intent from the beginning. My other posts on this address the size issue so I am taking that into account which is why I don't trust my pinkie to hold him.

[davids11131113]

@Kuroiryu146 Well if you dont agree that by grabbing his wrists puts him in control then youre violating the concepts of VAJ and just arguing against the system. You cant assume you can do all this against someone bigger than you, maybe jacked up full of PCP, a cold killer...element of surprise is central to this system so youre just arguing against that. See in your comment you assume you just do a move and are easily out of the situation, I dont. I assume he's been training in prison.

[Kuroiryu146]

@davids11131113 Ultimately, by the time his brain registers the grab, his foot would be stomped and you'd be on your way out.

[Kuroiryu146]

@davids11131113 I don't agree that me grabbing his wrists puts him in control. By that logic, one could say that him grabbing you in a bearhug puts you in control, which doesn't make sense. In fact, the point of the pinkie pin as stated in the video was to control his arms so he can't choke you. If the pinkie pin actually does what it's supposed to, and the guy tries to choke you, he'll notice you're pinning his arms just as much as if you grabbed him.

[davids11131113]

@Kuroiryu146 No, theyre not. You dont get it, he cant really feel you trapping his hand in THIS manner shown, if you GRAB his wrists, THEN HE reacts, not what you want. Soon as he feels you grabbing his wrists then HE is back in control of you and will side throw you or worse choke you, you've just turned it into a strength on strength match and the element of surprise is out the window. You cant rely on being attacked by someone smaller and weaker than you, youve got to train hes far stronger.

[Kuroiryu146]

@davids11131113 This is not a sock account, this is simply my account. I just choose not to comment on much but I felt there was enough in this video worth mentioning. The internet is indeed a weird place where one can have their arguments supposedly invalidated by the number of posts they've made prior rather than the logic or illogic of the arguments they present.

[Kuroiryu146]

@davids11131113 I'm not quite sure I follow your argument. Pinning with the pinkies and grabbing the wrist are both going to put you in the proposed wrestling position. They are both controlling moves, I just think one is better than the other.

I really don't see it as wresting in the first place, though. The pinning/grabbing is simply a temporary control to avoid being choked while you initiate your striking response.